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I think the KINDEST thing would be to go with his DREAMS for getting better and being helpful. Also stress how much GOOD he has done in his life. forget talking about death and God if you have not had those talks before. The key word here is EMPATHY, not shocking him saying you're going to die and you'll never come home. Just play along with HIS EFFORTS to have his last dreams.
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You are in a tough spot, and the answer (probably) is "He already knows".

He may not be willing to face it, he might be wanting to spare you, or maybe he's even resisting it, but he already knows his life is about to be cut short, so may I offer you a little something that may make it easier for both of you?

Share stories and relive memories with him. Allow him to remember the good days and the love he gave and received.

Acknowledge him for the man he is and the person you have become. Let him know the life lessons you learned from him made a difference.

Clean up the messes you made over the years. I was 50 when I admitted to my dad that I stole the coins out of his (very valuable) coin collection to buy candy when I was 8 years old. I had forgotten about it (or maybe I didn't) but he hung on to it for 42 years. His response to me was, "Now I know you are a man."

Bring a tiny bit of joy into his life. The night before my dad passed, we stayed up late, drank scotch, watched Hannity, and argued politics. For him, that was a tiny preview of heaven.

Find out who he wants to talk to. Help him make phone calls, write letters, zoom, or whatever.

Muster up the courage to ask him how he wants to die. Let him know whatever happens he will die with dignity (or however he says.)

Seek out the humor in everything. Send him off laughing, not crying...

Maybe bring him a sleeping bag or a camping vest... he is going on a camping trip. Your job is to make him know there will be unlimited love when he gets to the campground and he made a huge difference and a giant contribution along his life-long journey to the campsite.

God bless Dad and his amazing child!
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poodledoodle Apr 2022
Beautiful answer.
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Raerae,
No doubt you’re going through a very difficult time with your father’s illness. Many of us in the forum know what it’s like to wrestle with these kind of decisions from our own past experience. My hope and prayer is that you will find answers and some comfort here in the advice offered.

Your father may not appear to know he’s dying on a conscious level, but his body and spirit do. It’s comforting to him to talk about home, future plans, and wanting to do something for his daughter. If I were in your shoes, I’d try to go along with it and rest assured in the knowledge that God knows your father’s heart and the kind of man he truly is. If your father experiences a time of clarity and wants to talk about his belief or asks for a clergy, be prepared to fulfill his wishes.
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Just go along with him and make him happy. Let him enjoy the rest of his life! Give him the love he needs.
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Tonia722020 Apr 2022
Great answer - you sound so kind
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RaeRae123: Imho, perhaps there is no real purpose in telling him that. That seems quite cruel. Show him love, hugs and comfort.
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None of us know when the other will die. Some people exhibit end of life signs for months, years or decades.

Not all doctors are correct in their predictions. Talking about it could make your dad feel depressed, scared or confused. Why would you want to risk that?

All of us will die. All of us are getting closer to dying with each passing moment. What good will talking about it accomplish?
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Before my father died, after 18 months in and out of a skilled nursing facility, my husband, sister, and I "lied" to him over and over saying things like: we talked to your sister the last time I was here and she's good (she'd had a stroke and couldn't talk), your dog is doing great (we'd unfortunately had to put her to sleep), as soon as you get stronger you can go home, etc. We didn't feel bad about it and, frankly, it made us feel good to keep him content. We did know that he was a Christian, though. You might say: Dad, I don't thing you ever told me....did you ever go to church, as a kid? Do you believe in God? Just as a way to start the conversation if you think it's important. Keep visits as happy and light as possible. We brought hot meals and fresh snacks and paid a sitter for several hours a day, near the end while we worked. We also kept a big basket of little packaged snacks on a mini refrigerator, with Cokes, in his room. They were, mostly, for the staff. Prayers at the very tough time! Go along with his dreams! What can it hurt?
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You have to employ Therapeutic Lying in order to keep his hope and spirits lifted.

Besides, yes he is going to die. But, you don't know when. It could be in days, months, or years from now.
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TChamp Apr 2022
Lying never works. Terminal patients can be sick, but they aren't dumb. If they are out of their mind, they won't get it either. It's better to say nothing unless they ask directly.
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The great 'secret' of life: it ends.

I would draw the line at lying. If someone asks for a complete assessment they should be given just that with full details. Except in extraordinary situations where it is apparent they can accept this info only in small doses, or perhaps not at all.

For people often accept such info on their own timetable. Sometimes they never do, and sometimes it takes time (and sometimes more time than they have) and sometimes they make it clear they do not want to hear it.

There's a big difference between responding to requests for information and volunteering info that may not be wanted. Or perhaps it is but not quite yet, not all of it anyway.

The key to caring for a dying person is providing whatever (emotional and physical) comfort you are able to provide. Which can indeed be difficult when you're contemplating your own impending loss.

In any case, assuming you do care for the man you need not delay saying so, in terms/ways he can understand. Now, while he's still able to.
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You, nor the doctors can predict the future. And every day he's alive, he's living. I would just keep helping him live as he wants. If he dies, he dies. You don't have to tell him anything because yes, we all die, but no, you cannot predict when he will. I would never tell him he's not going home, because again, yes, it might look like he's on death's door, but you never know.

I look at death and life like this...
It's for enjoying every moment, not worrying about things you can't control.

If his memories of camping and the thought of possibly going again make him happy, let him be happy. Enjoy talking to him about camping and the fun times you've had. Dying is hard enough. You don't have to make it harder for him or you. Sing, laugh, share memories, view old pictures. That's such a better way than talking about death. We all waste so much time worrying about things instead of living. Living is sharing great moments with him, giving him peace on his own terms.
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wow what a mean question
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Grandma1954 Apr 2022
not necessarily.
I would not phrase it in that exact way but ...
Dad needs to know the reality of his situation.
He needs to know the prognosis so that he can "get affairs in order" and make the plans that need to be made.
And the family needs to know what measures he wants taken : feeding tube, vent, CPR...if those decisions have to be made.
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I am sorry for the situation your family is in. Most people know when they are going to die, many get the "impending sense of doom". Let him enjoy the thoughts of camping, just because they had a stroke does not mean they aren't capable of remembering things. Even so, they are in a hospital, letting him enjoy the thoughts of going camping and looking at the car. Ask him questions about previous camping trips, advice on the car, and changing the subject works vs telling a lie. Besides, if you are a child no matter what the age, the parent knows when you are lying. It's not good to give false hope. Ask him stories about things he likes. No matter how bad I was I wouldn't want my family to tell me I am going to die. Mom was in an ischemic stroke after surgery, she knew when certain people entered the room how her heart rate changed. The staff talked openly around her about death. I've been in too many situations where somehow they are aware. Let the man enjoy life while he has it, soon enough he won't.
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