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We have an appointment to get my mom's MRI results in a couple of weeks. There is always the possibility she doesn't have dementia, but all signs point to a form or forms of it. One of her symptoms is anosognosia and with that she believes that her doctor told her that she is so healthy he never has to see him again. She fights us when we have to go (we have been eight times in five months for bloodwork and results while her doctor refused to believe that was something was not right) and she doesn't remember any of those appointments.



I am dreading the day because if the results are what I think they will be, it means I can't have a glimmer of hope for a different outcome anymore and I'm also afraid that if she understands the diagnosis it could cause her to get worse quicker.



I would very much appreciate it if some could share their experiences of day of diagnosis, and best advice on to how to support your loved one on that day (especially if your loved one has anosognosia).



Thank you in advance.

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Marie, welcome!

((((Hugs)))) and deep breaths, first off.

You are at the beginning of a tough journey. We are here with you.

I can only share my experience with my mom. Her PCP saw NOTHING wrong with her; we finally got her into a nice Independent Living Facility. The wonderful geriatrics doc there saw her and sent her immediately to see a geriatric psychiatrist.
Who called me and insisted that mom needed a neuropsych eval. (We all kept saying mom was "sharp as a tack".

The neuropsych and the accompanying MRI showed that mom had had a stroke and now had Mild Cognitive Impairment. And, the way it was explained to us, she couldn.t reason her way out of a paper bag. (It made the anxiety understandable).

The thing is, the doc, in explaining this to mom said "you shouldn't live alone any longer. You need to have people around you all the time so you have help if you need it. You need a better diet than you've been eating at home. Cooking for one sucks, right? You need more activities, more stimulation, more access to transportation on your own."

Mom agreed with all of this. The parts about what mom's deficits were, she didn't seem to hear.

Can you talk to the doc ahead of time and find out what her/his approach is in this kind of situation? I think we were very fortunate that we had a team that did a lot of these "Informings".
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MarieR6595 Jan 2, 2024
Thank you BarbBrooklyn for your reply, warm welcome, and advice. It helped me to not feel alone going into the appointment.
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I agree with BarbBrooklyn that the doc is probably not going to dramatically pronounce a dementia diagnosis like on a soap opera. It's not their first rodeo, especially if you explain in a pre-written note (that you discretely hand to the doc beforehand) that she has anosognosia and you're very worried about her reaction to what she is told. I'm not sure you can video record this portion of the exam outcome, but it would be handy to have when she becomes insistent/resistant to future solutions or helps -- then you play it for her. Make the doc the "bad guy".

Dementia is a sneaky, gradual disease so your Mom probably is at the beginning of the sliding scale of this illness. Your homework will now be to not fret about what hasn't happened yet (so you don't overwhelm and exhaust yourself) but to educate yourself about her diagnosis so you can have more peaceful and productive interactions with her. It's going to be all about problem-solving now, and this forum is an excellent resource for that.

I wish you clarity, wisdom and peace in your heart on this journey!
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MarieR6595 Jan 2, 2024
Thank you, Geaton777. Your reminder to not fret about what hasn't happened yet, brought me peace. You're absolutely right that it becomes about problem-solving. I appreciate the heads up.
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I think my mom was aware in the beginning - sometimes - that something was going on in her mind. Then she forgot of course which is a blessing imo

The day of her neuro-test I brought a big fancy cupcake for us to sit and share afterwards over tea. Sharing fancy cupcakes with her became my go-to when I was upset with her ( not without reason usually! ) So we had a decent and yummy activity for after the appointment, I think that helped both of us, really.

Also, assuming dementia diagnosis, make sure they write it down in her chart!! I had to follow through because they did not. I also found out that people don’t READ the chart so I’ve had to remind the medical folks repeatedly about her dementia. Despite being obvious to us, other people don’t know what they’re seeing. Especially if our dementia person showtimes for others. Having the diagnosis in her chart has been the most helpful aspect of that appointment, for me, despite having to remind folks…
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againx100 Sep 2023
Good point about making sure it's in her chart! Same thing happened to me with my mom. I was so annoyed that it wasn't in there once she was diagnosed. I also feel like the other doctors don't take it very seriously, but that's another issue!
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Day of diagnosis? Different as your own thumb print. Individual as one's own thumb print. The day any elder is diagnosed would be irrelevant to your own life, other than to tell you "our own story". You cannot know how much your Mom will retain, nor how she will react now, nor how she will react in the future.
Since you ask I will tell you my own story.
Reassure her that you will not abandon her, that you will help best you can to keep her safe. Much as with our children, that is what they want to hear. That you will be beside them whether they are in care or whether at home, whether near or far. That you will face it together.

My brother was diagnosed after a serious accident with his truck in which no one but him was hurt. He was delivering his refuse to the large refuse container in his complex and he ended up driving his pickup back and forward between massive container and a huge palm, each time smashing his own head on some window. I lived in No. Ca while he lived in Socal, and I got notified by a hospital that "incidental findings" indicated that my brother had probable early Lewy's dementia, diagnosed by his symptoms. When I visited he told me he "knew something was wrong" and I learned firsthand about symptoms he had been choosing to ignore.

Once diagnosed my brother said he sure didn't like this, but he WAS glad he knew why he saw the world so differently, as it had been worrying him. And knew he had to get his world in order for what was to come. Asked me to be his POA and Trustee of Trust, and we went to the attorney together to get this done. Went to DMV and turned in license and got ID card. Sold his last little home. Chose an ALF after he decided he wished to remain a Socal boy. We did this together over a year and sat often and discussed his symptoms and what he was going through. He had always been an ordered and orderly man who lived somewhat like a monk. He said being in the ALF was a huge adjustment for someone socially a bit anxious, but said "It's like when I was young and in the army; I don't necessarily like it but I make the best of it". He adjusted to walks on the grounds, and picking roses for the breakfast tables. People would bring him vases to use.

Before his dementia could progress markedly (in fact his hallucinations were fewer once in care, once all bills handled by me, once no worries of any kind) my brother died of sepsis. It would have been what he wanted. He and I are/were both bit control freaks and greatly fear/ed loss of control. He often said he wished the accident had taken him so he didn't have to suffer the loss of himself.

Sp that's my story. I think that I haven't ever seen anyone take such a diagnosis so well. People vary greatly in dire diagnoses such as terminal condition and dementias. I wish you the very best, and your Mom as well.
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MarieR6595 Jan 2, 2024
Thank you for sharing your story, AlvaDeer. It sounds like you both handled it as well as possible, and showed great strength.
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Since your mother suffers from anosognosia, she's not going to believe or acknowledge ANY medical diagnosis she's given anyway, so why stress out? Furthermore, it's a rare MRI that will diagnose a dementia anyhow.

My mother lived in Memory Care Assisted Living after transferring there from the regular AL building where she lived for 4 years. For the nearly 3 years she lived in Memory Care, she'd ask me what SHE was doing there bc nothing at all was wrong with her. The one time I told her she was diagnosed with dementia in 2016, she called me and her doctor a liar. So we were The Bad Guys and she was The Poor Soul for living somewhere she didn't belong. Until her dying day, she believed that.

That's what anosognosia looks like, in reality.

Good luck to you
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MarieR6595 Jan 2, 2024
Thank you for your reply Lealonnie. I was already seeing some of what you described in my mom. Though tough to hear, it was a much-needed perspective. My heart goes out to you that that was your experience. The dementia is difficult on its own, the anosognosia adds another awful layer.

I hope you've been able to take care of you again.
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***Update***

Thank you to everyone that responded to my question. Sharing your experiences and offering your support were helpful leading up to and after my mom's diagnosis of vascular dementia.

Surprisingly, the morning of the appointment, she didn't fight me about going to the doctor.

I'm torn on how the doctor handled it. He lowered his voice when he said the fateful words and quickly mentioned that his dad has the same form of the dementia and were in goods hands with him. He made the situation sound hopeful; which was not the right tone to me.

I was not as prepared as I thought I was for the appointment and missed asking a bunch of questions so I'm working on getting her an appointment with a neurologist (as was recommended by a care manager I hired to help me navigate things) in hopes of getting more details and better information.

My mom was in a good mood leaving the appointment and said that she gets extremely anxious about doctor's appointments (her previous reactions now made more sense to me). I told her that I understood, that I don't think most people enjoy going to the doctor but that it is important, and that I'm here to support her no matter the news we receive. By the time we sat down to eat breakfast at a restaurant about a 5 minute drive from the doctor's office, she had already forgotten about the diagnosis.
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Llamalover47 Jan 3, 2024
MarieR6595: Thank you for your update.
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My parents lived into their 90s. Dad had cancer first, then dementia. He was never told he had dementia. He died of cancer, age 92. Mom developed dementia around the time that Dad died. She was never told she had dementia, either. Her cause of death was dementia, age 95. I had conversations with their medical teams about all their health issues, and we freely discussed dementia. I believe my parents were never told because in Dad's case, he was going to die of cancer soon, and with Mom, her care team and all her documents were in order shortly after Dad died. There was no need to discuss dementia with her because she was well cared for and had no decisions to make.

My LO was aware for some time that his cognitive skills were failing. When his PCP diagnosed dementia, it was handled well. The doctor said, "These dementia symptoms you're having can be traced to silent strokes that you had in the past. You've taken good care of your health and are physically fit for your age. You're getting treatment for the things that are wrong with the rest of your body (joint stiffness, thyroid issues), but we can't heal your brain. Isn't that sad?" LO agreed that it was sad, and the conversation moved on to medicines he could take to help symptoms. It was handled in a matter-of-fact way, and LO no longer remembers the conversation. He is very aware, though, of his continuing decline.

Try not to dread the day. The doctor will know how to handle it. I doubt that your mom will remember much about diagnosis talk, which can be kept to a minimum on that visit. You can follow up privately with doctor later. The nitty gritty of what will happen next is not necessary at that time. Also, I doubt that to know a diagnosis will make her brain issues get worse. The progress of the actual disease happens for other reasons, such as amyloid plaques. Depression, however, is another thing, and there's medicine for that.
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Fawnby Sep 2023
Marie, I should add that it would be good for you to explore memory care options in your area. Don't EVER promise mom you won't "put" her in a place where she'll get 24/7 care by professionals. Don't think you can do it all yourself. Don't move her into your house. You have no idea at the outset what you'll be taking on or how bad it can get. (I am the Voice of Experience, taking care of 4th family member at home.)

Eventually a situation where someone else takes care of her is the best option. You'll have plenty to do even in that case - advocating for her, overseeing her medical issues, making decisions on her behalf, bringing her and the aides special treats. Just those things can be all-consuming. Good luck to you.
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My Moms Neurologist sat down in front of her and looked her in the eye and told her she could no longer drive. That she may see things others don't, etc. Never said the word Dementia. I did when she asked "what is wrong with me". That was the first and last time. The next day she was looking at her paper and said "look there is an article on that thing u said I had" and there was. My Mom seemed to just except that she was having problems. She had her paranoia but not much, she had her night terrors, she would get stubborn at times. But on the whole she was easy. Well loved by the staff at both the AL and LTC.
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MarieR6595 Jan 2, 2024
Thank you for sharing your experience, JoAnn. It helped to assuage some of my anxieties.
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Both my aunt and mother had anosognosia, and I have a friend in early stages of dementia who has it. Avoid the "D" word, because it will only stress out your mother. Talk to your mother now about how she would want to live if the time came when she was unable to care for herself. She may have difficulty imagining that situation. Essentially there are 2 choices, have in-home cargivers, or live in assisted living/memory care. Much depends on her finances and how much help she'll get from family members. Try to understand her wishes. Would she rather stay in her apartment or home with caregivers and others helping with her shopping, cooking, cleaning, etc. or would she rather live in a senior residence where there are skilled staff and other people her own age in the same building, and they take care of everything for her? I looked for a continuing care facility where my mother started in Independent Living and moved to memory care and skilled nursing as needed. While your mother is still able to sign legal papers, make sure all of her paperwork is in order. If she hasn't already done so, she needs to set up Powers of Attorney for medical (health care proxy) and financial matters. She needs to have a living will with her advance medical directives, and she needs to have a will, if she has assets. My mother made things easier for me by making me joint owner of her accounts. Her POAs need to be on file with Social Security/Medicare to be able to speak on her behalf, and some insurance policies also require this, as well as banks and other financial institutions. Her POA for financial matters should ask her for a credit card on your mother's account with their name on it so that they can purchase things for her. My mother also made things easier for me by agreeing that I should take over her financial matters (paying bills, etc.) At that point I set up everything on line and paperless. If she has caregivers coming into her home, be sure to lock up her valuables and financial and other personal papers. It's not easy telling people with anosognosia when they have reached a stage where they need more help. They think everything is OK. When my aunt got to that stage, the Social Worker at her HUD Senior Independent Living Facility gave her an ultimatum - she had to get 24/7 cargiver(s) or she had to move to an assisted living facility. She chose having a caregiver. There is a lot of paperwork and legal things to learn if you are hiring caregivers independently (not through an agency). All the best to you and your mother!
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MarieR6595 Jan 3, 2024
Thank you for your perspective and advice, Nancy. It drove home that there was a lot I was going to need to deal with so I hired a care manager prior to the appointment to help me navigate what comes next.

Fortunately, my parents were good at saving so financially they will be OK. The one obstacle I was not expecting was my dad who hasn't been able to come to terms with the diagnosis, refuses to learn more about the disease, often doesn't heed my advice because he still thinks I'm a child (I'm 40 and haven't lived at home for two decades), and suddenly doesn't want to spend money. Luckily, the care manager has been able to help me navigate some of these issues and will talk to them when I can't through.
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Driving... My aunt started having dementia. One day she called me and could not find her car. She was driving to an appointment, got turned around after the appointment, and could not find it. The police drove her home. The next day, we drove to her appointment, with the directions she gave, and there it was... parked.

She missed the court order for appearance, and that was that. They took her license.

Do not mention dementia, do not argue with her, if you do, she may stop talking.. this happened too,

In home care, make sure you have appropriate home insurance. I knew a couple who lost everything to a caretaker. Because of that, they were put in a 6 pack.

good info on this website. Take care.
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MarieR6595 Jan 3, 2024
Thank you for sharing your experience, Mayday. While I have not mentioned the diagnosis to her, my dad has (he refuses to believe she has dementia and to educate himself about the disease). It causes her to become very angry and shut down, which is completely understandable.

I am leaning towards in-home care and have been concerned with brining in a stranger or strangers. Your insurance advice is very helpful.
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