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My mother is a week shy of her 86th birthday. Her husband died almost 20 years ago and she lives on her own until a fall. She’s been living in my home (with my husband and teenage child) since she broke her hip/leg three years ago. She is generally mentally sharp (she’s highly educated) but has mobility issues due to the fall, spinal stenosis, and recurrent gout. She should be using a walker but refuses. She uses a cane but says she doesn’t really need it, so she “surfs” the furniture and walls in the house. Other health conditions: afib, high blood pressure, edema, and COPD (not due to any smoking and not on any oxygen). She also has depression (been on medication for over 20 years), ADHD, and has age related hearing loss (will only wear one hearing aid ONLY when she remembers or wants to impress her doctor). She has no real in person friends anymore. She reads all the time, is up on current events, does a lot of Facebook/internet surfing, and is a prolific artist. Her last hospital stay was extended by a 10 day stint of significant delirium. Oh, and she just had her driver’s license revoked until she completes and passes a three hour cognitive and mobility evaluation AND a DMV road test (I don’t anticipate her passing).


She is capable in daily living skills (dressing, bathing, etc). Cleaning is a whole other story, but she’s never been a tidy person.


So with all that info, I’d love to hear some advice on how to manage mild signs of impairment. She is always oriented to time and space except for when she’s in a “manic” mode and stays up late and sleeps all day the next day, but it doesn’t take much to orient her. This odd sleep schedule is not new. She’s been like this my whole life. Some weeks she’s more asleep than awake. Is it MCI, depression, just an escape from the chronic pain?


The story repetition is getting more exhausting. We hear the same stories all the time. Some are longterm memory stories (her childhood, stories about her children, etc.). Some are stories about things she’s read online. I could see how this might just be boredom and a lack of new experiences means fewer new stories. But OMG I’m so tired of the same stories. I’ve perfected the nod and smile response ;).


She also needs reminders about things we’ve talked about like schedules and appointments — she’s still getting used to having to coordinate her schedule with family, but she can’t seem to maintain the info. She will send me emails with the same information multiple times a week, or sometimes multiple times a day. I’ve started printing out the week’s schedule for her, but even that is hard for her to manage. Maybe it’s just her ADD. It’s hard to know.


I’ve read many posts here and I recognize how fortunate we still are at my house, but that doesn’t mean I/we aren’t having rotating feelings of exhaustion, resentment, regret, etc. as we peer into what this limited caregiving role will become in the days, weeks, months, and maybe years ahead.


Let me hear your words of wisdom. Let me know if I’m missing steps or signs.


Thanks for reading.

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Kemi, this isn’t mild impairment. She’s well down the road to dementia and has some other difficult issues as well.

It’s normal to experience denial when faced with our loved ones’ cognitive decline. I’ll let others chime in but may comment further later when I have more time.

In the meantime, I send sympathy and understanding for what you’re going through.
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I may be wildly off base (or just in denial), but the kind of repeated story telling you describe sounds to me like very typical human behavior. I find myself doing it sometimes and don't stop because (re)telling the story releases so many happy brain chemicals (<not a scientific explanation). 

But when other people re-tell stories it is super annoying.🙃 Sometimes I'm very rude about this with a particular family member, interrupting and finishing his story in a rush ("yeah yeah and then X; I remember") and denying him the pleasure of the full re-telling. 

Maybe if we weren't all so stressed out and hurried all of the time these repeat narrations would seem less obtrusive. Or maybe people have found them irritating since the dawn of speech.😀

The matter of sending emails with the same info over and over on the same day, on the other hand, sounds genuinely worrying. I'm not sure how to square that with the keen engagement you describe in the first paragraph. Does this happen regularly? If not, maybe mom was just having an especially "off" day? For your and mom's sake I hope that is indeed the case.
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AlvaDeer Jul 2023
I side with you here, soitgoes. My father, much I loved him told the same old stories over and over again. My brother picked the habit up at his knee and did it also. What finally delighted me is that a younger man, the love of my brother's life, who died very young would tease my brother every time he started one of these repetitious tales by saying to him "NO FREQUENTLY FLYER MILEAGE PERKS". It would stop him and they would laugh.
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When you write that she is not diagnosed, do you mean she has not or refuses to see the doctor and take the test? Or that she was given the test by a doctor and passed? If she did take the test, were you in the room with her, or did she relay the info to you herself?

Is she being treated for her HBP and COPD? Taking meds?

Why was her driver's license revoked? Did you do that or did the authorities?

Is she administering her anti-depressants herself or are you giving them to her? You should be the person handing her the meds and watching that she actually swallows them. Any and all meds she is prescribed.

Story and email repetition is a memory issue.

Everything you describe sounds like some form of dementia. She needs to be tested, also maybe a physical to discount other causes (like a UTI, thyroid issue, dehydration, vitamin deficiency, over- or under-medicating of prescription meds, HBP, diabetes, stroke, tumor, etc.)

First, get an accurate diagnosis. Then you can attempt to help and manage things. Are you her DPoA? If not, is anyone? Her assigning a PoA should be the #1 condition of you caring for her (in your home or elsewhere).
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KemiMichelle Jul 2023
I appreciate all the questions, they help me see if I’ve missed anything.

The durable POA has been in place for a while as long as other legal needs (DNR, access to financials, access to medical information, etc). I have siblings but they live thousands of miles away so I made sure this was all in place.

She is seen by her team of doctors regularly and is medicated for her conditions (BP, COPD, aFib, etc).

My mother has NOT had a cognitive evaluation yet other than the in clinic MOCA assessment, which she passes easily. She has never been medicated for her ADHD (her choice).

Her license was, ironically, revoked by the state a week after my siblings and I were discussing how we might start addressing her driving. Turns out she had an accident and a moving violation (two separate events) that she did not tell me about. Her intention is to pass all the tests and get her license back. I do not believe she will pass those tests. I am hoping to use that process as a stepping stone to getting her formally evaluated.
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You are already doing what I was going to suggest, nod and smile or nod and say yes. It is extremely annoying when people are extremely repetitive but I think it is either, dementia, loneliness or that they are bored.

It’s easier to handle if someone is doing this over the telephone because you can make an excuse and then hang up. In person, it’s challenging.

You can excuse yourself and say that you have to go to the bathroom to end another long winded story or say that you have to make an important phone call. Anything like that, have to cook dinner and so on.

Wishing you all the best.
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My father who passed at age 84, no dementia, his mind all of his adult life was like a continuous loop M&M=he worked for Mars Candy for 41 years and the other "M" is money!

No matter what the topic was he always went back to those two things.

He died when I was 60, by then I was brain dead on those topics, I just shook my head and went on.

Patience, Patience it is a learned skill!
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At your Moms age there is mental decline. What you describe sounds like early signs of Dementia. I would make sure the person who does the cognitive test has a list of things you have seen. That her driving has been revoked. What her health problems are. This helps in how Mom will be questioned.
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Your mother has moderate dementia. Unless someone insists, most doctors do not do a MMSE as routine.

When we moved my father-in-law (FIL) into assisted living and switched him over to the facility's doctor, thank goodness my husband was there for the intake examination. My husband told the doctor about his dad's cognitive decline as my FIL's showtiming was very convincing. The doctor did a MMSE and was surprised by how poorly my FIL scored putting him in the moderate dementia category.

My FIL routinely cannot keep his schedule straight. Anything that is outside his normal day-to-day routine is repeated multiple times per day with questions and anxiety. So we've cut down on everything that takes him out of his daily routine unless it's absolutely necessary. It's just not worth the stress on him. He was a hot mess for the entire week before any appointment.

Your mother needs a lot of help. Whether or not she can afford in-home help with groceries, meal preparation, housekeeping, etc. is up to her POA to determine. Now is the time to figure out her monthly budget before a crisis happens. That budget can guide your family on decisions for your mother as to whether or not her needs can be met in her home. And remember that her dementia is only going to get worse and her needs are only going to increase.
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I read that she hasn’t been diagnosed with having dementia.

The following was my experience with my mother as dementia broke her brain, long before any diagnosis. She was incredibly good at showtiming, But, in hindsight, hints were there. She was always difficult so I found it impossible to differentiate between manipulative behaviour and cognitive decline.

She began to decline opportunities to be with others, except me. Refused the seniors centre due to its “old people”. She was 90 herself. Seniors there are 55+.

She began coming to my house every weekday (husband working, kids at school) midday, to talk for anywhere from 30 minutes to 4 hours, about her in-laws (most long dead), and perceived personal slights. If I tried to redirect her, she grew very angry, saying that I was the only person with whom she could talk and it was rude of me to not want to listen. Oblivious to my need to clean, shop, bank, etc.

She began pretending to be hard of hearing, vehemently refusing a hearing test. That way she could deny having forgotten, saying she didn’t hear us tell her. Plus, that enabled her to have me answer questions she could no longer answer, like her address and date of birth. Her dementia is now advanced and her hearing is fine.

She began to write things down, over and over and over. (she didn’t use a computer) I think she was trying to make herself remember. I used to do that as a study tool to remember terminology.

She began incorporating things she’d watched on tv into her own life. She told the story as if she were involved.

She began using my sport walking sticks because only old people use canes. (leaving me to use a cane)

She’d switch day and night. Have days where she dozed much of the day. Be put out that I wasn’t cheery with her at 4am. But yell at me that my kitchen lights were on and I was baking at midnight (we were neighbours) when I should have been sleeping.

I made signs to prompt her and printed schedules. While she could recite some of what she’d read in the newspaper, she could not process how her schedule applied to her.

When she was finally assessed, long enough that she couldn’t showtime, she didn’t even know her town, year, grandkids, age... it was astounding how well she’d hidden her decline.

Frankly, I’m afraid you’re in for the same shock.
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Fawnby Jul 2023
That pretty much nails it. I’ve seen this in a few people, but when it starts it’s really hard to figure out what’s going on.
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My mothers dementia started with the repetition of statements. She would be filling in the lag in a conversation and she would ask a question, usually something innocuous.
'How is your son doing?" I would answer and 2-3 minutes later she would ask the same question but in a slightly different way.
"So, your son, he is doing well?"
Again a few minutes and then the same question, again asked a bit differently. This would go on until she had asked 5 or 6 times, the same question and finally someone would just say, "Mom, you already asked that." Then she would be quiet for a bit. This pattern would repeat itself with different topics. We knew that there was something wrong. It was very hard to get her to go to her PCP and get a referral to a neurologist. I found that in NY (near the capital not in the city) it was really hard to get an appointment for a neurologist. It took 3 months to see one and if you were 10 minutes late, they gave your appointment to someone else.
Look into this now if you think there is an issue. Believe me, you know her well, if you think she is slipping, she probably is.
Long story short, both of my parents are now in a nursing home. Next big hurdle. My mom has regressed quite a bit there and it's only been 2 months. They have both fallen numerous times. Two weeks ago she fell and fractured her femur. Hospital stay, surgery, now she is back at the nursing home. They called this morning, they both fell. I am waiting to see if the doctor thinks she needs an x-ray.

I'm not sure what you are planning next but I would try to get her to a neurologist. You can try calling the Alzheimers Association. They will often come out free of charge and do an evaluation. I did that. They found out that both my parents were confused and helped me get an appointment to see a neurologist. They are a great resource.
Finally if she does have dementia, watch for other signs. The wandering, the hallucinations, the anger. It was (and still is) hard to watch someone you know become someone you don't. I hate this.
Good luck, reach out to people and make sure you have a plan. You will not be able to keep her at home forever. Make sure you have a place that you feel comfortable placing her. Research senior communities near you and take her to see some. I had no choice, my dad fell and went into a nursing home for rehab (hospital picked the facility). My mom followed him in within a week because she could not live alone and did not want to live without him. It's really hard.

Good luck. I think you are wise to ask questions here. It's a good website and people are kind and full of knowledge.
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“She will send me emails with the same information multiple times a week, or sometimes multiple times a day.”

In the beginning of dementia, only family will notice the memory loss, the mental decline generally…A doctor will only diagnose dementia when it’s VERY obvious (in other words, more advanced dementia).

OP:
Your mom is starting to have dementia. End of story.
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Be sure who is assigned as her POA, confirm that all signed documents for decision making ( on her behalf) are in place. Consult with an Elder Law Attorney which will give everyone much needed insight into accountability, responsibility and legal considerations.
Take her to her PCP for a " check up", have POA with her, share your observed behaviors and changes noted in her and, have PCP provide an updated " level of care needs assessment" for her and provide you all with a options for her care, safety and everyone's " quality of life" .
It may be time for changes and, gathering all of the information from legal, medical professionals will be an asset to you all going forward.
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Your mother sounds like she could be my mothers twin! My mothers geriatrician has diagnosed her as having mild cognitive decline. The last (and only second) time she was tested she had gone noticeably down hill and the dr said it would not be wrong to look into assisted living for her. My mother is in independent living right now and we have hired several women to come in and help her daily. One actually spends a few nights with her since she is actually a friend of mine who lives near me, which is two hours away from my mother with good traffic. My mother doesn’t like two of my dogs so I can’t stay overnight.
My mother actually used a rollator when we went out to events before accepting a walker since she thought of it as a place to sit if she got tired. She found out that she has arthritic lesions on her spine which could cause her to break her back if she fell so she finally gave in and started using a walker indoors.
She has asked the same questions repeatedly for a while and has been repeating stories for even longer. Her ADD has always made housekeeping a challenge since she can be doing one thing then is distracted and starts doing another and so on. I have the same problem, maybe worse, with my ADD. It can affect your ability to remember where you put something at any age!
My mother has been declining a bit more rapidly now and it takes a lot of patience with her repeated questions and stories. She is now telling people versions of stories that are actually from my life thinking it was she who experienced them. I have finally decided that if she now thinks she did get a chance to do I did things she always wanted to do but couldn’t then I’d let her borrow those stories and not correct her. I think it makes her feel she did even more in her life than the amazing things she really has done.
My mother now lets me handle her schedule completely even though she looks at her calendar which has everything written down on it often. I think she is only a few steps ahead of your mother in her progression in general. She now accepts help and has actually let the women who help her do all the driving and she hasn’t driven in many months. She does still talk about what type of car her next one will be however!
I have developed a lot more patience and learned how to let things roll off my back rather than trying to correct her. Reading the posts here helps me prepare for what is to come.
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I don’t visit my mom all that often; maybe twice a month, max. Her mind is just fine, but she can’t hear worth a damn, and is 97. She repeats a lot of (borrrrring) stories. It used to drive me nuts, and I would cut her off with, “Yes, you said, and then the neighbor’s dog turned over your garbage and raccoons came that night…” (or whatever trivial narrative she is focusing on for the moment). But you know? At some point I realized that, as we have literally ZERO to discuss that hasn’t been discussed a zillion times, it’s just sooo much easier to let her run on with these stories. All I have to do is put on a phony interested expression and nod! Thirty minutes later, she feels she has entertained me, and I can escape! Whoooooeeeeeee! And do the same thing a couple of weeks later..
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Just because she has not been diagnosed with dementia or MCI does not mean she does not have either.

Lack of oxygen does not help either. (If this is the case with the COPD)

Just know diagnosed or not the feelings you have of exhaustion, resentment, regret etc. will magnify.
the advice I have is this
If you intend to keep mom with you at home make the changes now that will make it easier to care for her.
Get help in earlier than you think you will need it. It will be easier for her to adapt to having someone come in sooner rather than later.
If caring for her becomes more than you can safely manage do not let her make you feel "guilty" having to place her in Memory Care.

and important...
Get all the paperwork you need to get done. (I should say she should get all the paperwork done) POA if you are not yet POA.
Make sure you know her wishes as far as what interventions she wants done medically.
(these are just the tip of the iceberg)
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KemiMichelle: When my late mother repeated things 1,001x over, it may have been easy to say 'you already told me that,' but I realized that she really did not have very much to converse about. This, too, may be your mother. Simply nod and smile.
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Your mother is normal. My mother, highly educated, did the same thing, except the bad stories were embellished to make the stories more dramatic (and no, the stories were not exactly identical in their versions).

We got caregivers to help my Mom at night. Since they didn't hear the same stories throughout their life, they were much more patient about listening to them than I was.

The good news about dementia.....the stories get shorter and there are fewer different stories. You still have to respond to them though....
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“Highly educated” and “aging symptoms of dementia” are NOT mutually exclusive, and sometimes behaviors can be symptoms and sometimes not.

Her medical history indicates several conditions that can mimic or exacerbate dementia, and overall, based on just your description, it may be helpful to you to observe, document, overlook her repetitions and slips, and keep an eye on any of her present idiosyncrasies that are increasing.

Her physical safety is a potential concern, especially if she’s refusing to use safety devices.

Without question, it’s time to encourage her to choose a POA and get the paperwork for it done.

Try as long as you can to maintain a balance between her challenging behaviors and your family’s lifestyle, and if you see negative patterns emerging, modify or eliminate what stops working.

As you’re aware already, this can and may get harder faster. Or slowly. If you continue to do your best, you will be doing all you can do.
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I would go with her to Her primary care Doctor and discuss the stories and your concerns and get a social worker who can help support you and your Mom . They Can Get elder services to come in and help Out - grocery shopping , light Housekeeping , Bathing . The Doctor can order a VNA Nurse to check on her , A CNA for bathing , A Nuerologist to do some Memory testing and a Nueropsychologist if at some Point you Need One . Its Best to Listen to the stories Because they will Obsess over them. My Mother kept telling everyone " She saw Elvis many times at Concerts . " I Figured the story Made her Happy . My Dad would Obsess Over Hs Mothers wedding Ring and I would say " Dad That was 40 Years ago . " Best to have Patience and Empathy .
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If she still enjoys reading and telling stories from her childhood, there is an autobiographic help book: "Tell Your Life Story: The Write Your Own Autobiography Guided Journal (Hear Your Story Books)." She might enjoy this and it will keep her busy. Also, so many seniors are passing without any history being made of their life. She may just want to have her memories passed down. She was born before jet planes, refrigerators, and TV. Let her write it down while she can.
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When people don't have anything new to add in their lives, they relive what was their life. Repeating life stories, short term memory issues - it could be a combination of lack of new stimuli/interactions (even conversing with new people would be helpful), and even her medications (given her numerous health issues). When my mother started showing memory challenges, I thought it was the beginnings of dementia. However, after researching all the meds she was on (from her GP and all her specialists she had acquired by her 90s) - turns out it was more the lack of new stimulation (and no, watching shows on tv doesn't qualify) PLUS certain meds causing memory issues. Once I got the meds in order (which meant removing duplications but with different names from different doctors and also changing some), her dementia symptoms lessened by about 70%.

Yes, she still repeated stories and events from her life, but at 90+, there aren't too many new things in one's life to be looking forward to that will create new memories, especially if one is movement limited,
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