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At a neurology appointment in June, having been referred to the neurologist by his PCP, my husband was found to be "borderline" for cognitive impairment. MRI was normal. Follow up appointment with the neuro is in early December.


For those of you with husbands that were diagnosed in their 60's with dementia or Alzheimer's, what signs did you see in your husband during the early stages? Did you raise the concerns, or was it another family member, or your family doctor?

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Everyone is different but here are the first things that concerned me (and other people & family members as I found out later) His doctors diagnosed everything from midlife crisis to low blood sugar before referring him for neuro testing. Best of luck to you both. Come back to this site often for info & support. Everyone cares & has so much combined experience!

* loss of social skills
* loss of long term memory BEFORE loss of short term memory
* loss of empathy
* thought rules didn't apply to him
* became suspicious & distrustful
* blamed others for his mistakes
* loss of ability to keep appts or deadlines or manage his time
* total mismanagement of money
* mean & belittling behavior: calling me stupid, saying I had no sense of style, telling me I was a bad wife & mother
* excess alcohol use: an entire bottle of wine or two & 2 glasses of bourbon every night
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anonymous967666 Oct 2019
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some first signs were:
-unable to understand “take your pills every 4 hours” he could not add 4 hours to his last dose
-couldn't tell time
-couldn’t see others point of view
-driving; spatial issues
His first test was borderline, but I knew what was up.
Thankfully his restless leg syndrome stopped him driving even before his neuropsychological testing.
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Monica19815 Oct 2019
I replied to you yesterday but for some reason none of my replies were posted.

How long was it between the "borderline" diagnosis and a sure diagnosis of dementia/Alzeheimer's?
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Just an FYI, www.alzconnected has a great spouse forum that you can join.   They also have forums for general caregivers.  Just thought you might like to connect and see what other spouses are going through.  All my best.
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Very early on - trouble following conversations in a noisy restaurant (thought it was hearing related), wanting to take a preview ride to new places so he wouldn’t get lost when he had to go to his meeting there, difficulty learning a new task at work, difficulty reading a map - initially diagnosed with MCI and progressed to early Onset Alzheimer’s.
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Arleeda Nov 2019
My husband had similar symptoms, but was finally diagnosed with vascular dementia. Died after about five years of what we later learned must of been TIA's 3-4 times a year....episodes when his blood pressure would shoot up, he lost his balance and fell more often, he developed intermittent double vision, saw people who weren't there (that one was scary) and said he felt premonitions of impending doom. He died at age 71 of complications of a major stroke.
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My husband was having mini strokes that affected his cognitive abilities. It wasn’t until the major stroke that we found out.
The signs were:
Being naive about money matters. He gave out his credit card to an unknown caller.
Racist or inappropriate remarks, he’d never been racist before. And really wasn’t after, he had no filters.
No follow through , he said he’d do something but never did.
Got angry more.
Had trouble with his computer at work, always blamed it. Had issues at work I didn’t know about till after.
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The only definitive test for Alzheimer's is a brain biopsy - and we do not do those to living people. Usually, family/friends/doctors notice a problem with executive functions - decision-making. It may take the form of difficulty with math, or difficulty with directions, or loss of ability to deal with technology, or following conversations. Of course, doctors rule out stroke and other diseases first before diagnosing with Alzheimer's disease. The earlier the diagnosis is made, the earlier the patient can be placed on medications to preserve those executive functions for as long as possible. Be aware that the medications will not help forever and there is a very definite pathway of decline. Early is better to talk with the patient and family about how to provide care at latter stages of this diease.
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Having recently faced this difficult road with family members, I was grateful to learn a few things up front.

First, many people inaccurately use the word "dementia." Remember that the word, "dementia," is the word which describes a laundry list of symptoms caused by any, or a combination of, over 70 different diseases. Those diseases include Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc. People often improperly use "dementia" as if it is the disease itself.

Once that was clear in my head, I understood we were searching for what disease, virus, or medications was causing the dementia behaviors or symptoms.

With my MIL, she had dementia behavior during a UTI that simply needed to be addressed. I had dementia symptoms while taking statin medications. Once those meds were removed my cognitive issues went back to normal. So it's about working with the PCP or neuro-specialist to find the source causing the dementia.

Alzheimer's is just one of many many diseases that could be causing cognitive issues. With my FIL it was determined after scans and many hours of evaluation, that he appears to have FTD.

Having a good neuro-specialist who is well versed in the latest science has made all the difference dealing with my FIL. Had we not been properly educated we would have jumped to just calling it early Alzheimer's. Not understanding that FTD is different would have led to a lot of confusion.

Hope this helps. Prayers for you and your family!
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Snowcat60 Oct 2019
In truth, you hit the nail on the head regarding pharmaceuticals and memory impairment.
Today with so many people taking medications for anything from a hang nail to pneumonia. People are suffering the nasty side effects, which in turn lead to more drugs and more side effects which result in memory loss and false diagnoses.

Doctors are not gods and actually only know how to treat you with pharmaceuticals. And gawd forbid you try to heal yourself with proper nutrition, the absolute horror!
Seriously, ask a doctor about nutrition and I can guarantee a blank stare.
Whats even more unfortunate is that they could lose their license for even suggesting healing yourself with foods.

People need to start taking care and responsibly for their health and well being and stop relying on chemicals that the body does not recognize, need or utilize.

Eating clean organic foods,*(this means real food no gmos, no processed foods etc) drinking purified water and plant based minerals and supplements go a long way in restoring ones health.
Its easy, simple and cheap compared to today’s allopathic sick care.
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After thirteen years, it's hard to remember the first signs as they have progressed at a snail's pace. But I think the first thing was loss of social skills such as inability to join a conversation. He began monopolizing them and subjecting others to extreme details of his physical complaints. Second was his interest in minutia. Everything became a subject of intense interest and study no matter how obscure. Third was he shut out others' conversations and claimed he never heard them. He withdrew into himself and shut others out. At first, we all thought 'okay, he's always been quiet.' but each of these things slowly got worse.
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Friends and family would tell me that there was something wrong with my husband. I very much appreciated it also.Personality change.When driving somewhere he would ask “which way would you like to go?” He was a very good golfer and knew the rules well. He would blame me for moving if he missed a putt. Would blame other players for talking when he was getting ready to hit a ball. Forgot the rules of the game. Start keeping a list of all the changes you see in him and give it to the receptionist for the Dr to go over before he is seen. He also worked a crossword puzzle every day and I noticed he had not worked one in some time.
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Monica19815 Oct 2019
I actually have been keeping a list. Glad to know that is a good idea. Thanks for your reply. I struggle so much with...is what I am seeing/hearing just a normal part of aging or is it a sign of cognitive decline? We have not had any major incidences...no getting lost, or forgetting someone we know well or anything like that. It has been lots of little incidences. We do not hang out with other people on a regular basis in our home town and our kids do not live close by so there is, sadly, no one else to tell me they notice things.
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I don't know what age has to do with it, My husband was in his 80's. I noticed that he would notice something was broken and he didn't jump in and fix it. This from a man who kept the house perfect. My real Ah-Ha moment was this. It is HIS kitchen. He was a gourmet cook. He would get upset if I even went into the kitchen while he was cooking. One day I noticed he wasn't upset when I was in there getting some water. I thought "this is weird". The next day same thing. I knew I something drastic was wrong. In my case Hubby is easier to get along with.

He can't plan projects. If a faucet leaks he has a hard time planning to fix it. He trims plants the wrong way at the wrong time of year.

I am so grateful that he has let me take over projects. A lot of men don't. This is from my cell phone so please forgive the sentence structure, spelling etc.
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My husband wasn't diagnosed in his 60s, but it was clear to me and to others that something was wrong. He once made breakfast on Sunday mornings, but gradually became unable to remember how to cook the eggs, how to set table, how to make coffee. Then he just said he didn't want anything but cereal anymore. His fantastic sense of direction was drastically changed--he couldn't find his way to the dentist that he had been to for 20 years. He occasionally saw double and when I asked him to cut some hedges he opened the shears about 6 inches above the stalk. He couldn't use his telephone directory anymore because he couldn't remember the alphabet (a cell phone was way beyond his understanding; this was in 2000). Although he showered daily he washed his hair with Ivory soap and didn't rinse it well, so it caked around his hair. He wouldn't let me wash it for him, but went to Supercuts (with me driving since he couldn't remember how to get there. He bought new clothes after I drove him to the store and then put them away and couldn't find them so had to buy more. He either threw away or lost some of his meds and accused the cleaning woman of stealing them. The scariest thing was seeing people, animals and things that weren't there. He was eventually diagnosed with vascular dementia and died at the age of 71 of a major stroke.
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shad250 Nov 2019
That is so sad. I'm sorry
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I will reply with "it wasn't my husband." It was my sister in law, who got the Alzheimer's diagnosis in 2017. She had no idea she had it. One of her sisters noticed and pulled her aside to say that she needed to go to a neurologist to get an M.R.I., which is the gold standard to detect for Alzheimer's. BUT the sick sister in law SHOULD have known. She was receiving overdraft notices from her financial institution and had no clue what they were. There was a MAJOR PRECURSOR to the illness 4 years prior when she was driving in her own neighborhood with two of her grandchildren in the back seat of her auto when she entered a MARKED IN RED - 'DO NOT ENTER' HIGHWAY. Fortunately through other drivers honking she was able to get turned around. Then she did $500 worth of damage at a separate event to her auto before she had to give up her DL. She was dx'd at age 66. Signs her sister picked up on beside the fact that her checkbook was no longer being balanced to the penny were a very slow gait, being nice to her husband (before that, she always was mean to him).
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Hi Monica,
to answer your question about time between his borderline test & full diagnosis... We switched neuros. I’d guess it was about 6 months between the two MoCA tests. After the 2nd test the new neurologist ordered the 6 hour neuropsychological test, but there was a 4 month wait to get in. So 10 months total. His results were moderate dementia at that time.
Hope that helps.
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Monica19815 Nov 2019
It helps a LOT. Thank you. I am very anxious for his December 5 appt. I did not realize there was a very extensive test available...6 hours. I do not think my husband would last through that! He was a high level mechanic all his life, he can fix/repair anything (and still can) but he has never read books or the newspaper, is great with all things mechanical, but struggled terribly through school. He was frustrated with the first 3 minute cognitive test his PCP gave him last spring!
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Monica-
my husband was VERY frustrated with the test, too.
He kept saying, “if you would have let me study, I would have done better!” It was heartbreaking to watch. Such a sinking feeling for me.
His neuro didn’t think my husband could take the half day test, but I wanted to know. He was struggling with RLS at the time, but still made it through. They take into consideration education completed.
Your husband sounds like mine. Mechanical brains that can fix anything. It’s so hard to watch him struggle now.
Hope you find some answers in December.
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Monica19815 Nov 2019
Our husbands sound SO much alike. It is uncanny. It IS heartbreaking. Were you with him during all his tests? I was in the room for the test his PCP gave him but could not bear to be in the room when the neuro tested him. When I returned to the room, she did do a few more tests in front of me and he did not do well. It drives him crazy that he cannot spell "World" backward. He could not do it for his PCP and when his neuro asked him to do it when I was in the room, he could not do it. He told the doctor, "I even studied for these tests!!" because she apparently gave him basically the same test as his PCP did. She told him he would get a different test in December so he could not study for it. Once in a while, out of the blue, my husband will spell "World" backward to me...and he has never once gotten it right. He gets so frustrated with himself.

I have a hard time reconciling that he can do anything mechanical but struggles with many things that are "cerebral" (for lack of a better word). So I make excuses for him, such as "he is just not hardwired for cerebral tasks and his age is starting to show." But I realize now that my thinking is wrong here. Thanks so much for sharing your experiences with me. It helps a lot.
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Hi Monica-
yes, I was in the room for both MoCA tests, but they don’t allow you in the room for the 6 hour test.
Like your husband, mine was spelling words backwards on the drive home. He argued with the doctor about the results and couldn’t understand how taking a test on paper would tell her that he can’t drive a car.
The longer test will tell you, if they can, what type of dementia he has. My husband didn’t fit in any category. So they call it atypical dementia.
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Hi Monica. I opted out for my LO to have the 6 hr neuro test. My Mom had an MRI which showed brain changes and vascular dementia. After the neuro went over the MRI with me she mentioned the 6 hr test. I told her that I knew my Mom would struggle with the testing and I believed it would cause her much anxiety. I then asked her the benefit of the testing? I asked what was going to be done with the info and how was it going to help my Mom. The neuro said she agreed with me and the testing wasn’t done. My point is, we are now the main voice for our LO’s and can advocate for them. Best of luck.
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You'll find this site is a sanity-preserver. My brother is 65, currently in a rehab facility after a series of falls. About 4 years ago I began noticing the things listed below (several echoing other people's posts). I did raise concerns with my brother and with his medical providers. (At his request I join him at medical appointments, but I don't have POA.) The providers, including a neurologist, seemed focused only on his status at that moment and not on his history (also included below). Early signs:
* significantly slower gait and poor balance.
* anxiety about even basic decisions/planning ahead.
* abandonment of activities he once enjoyed, e.g., guitar-playing, reading, crossword puzzles. He was evasive about why.
* inability to recall/write down appointments made over the phone.
* binge drinking.
* what he called "dreams that seem real."
* confabulation: honestly "remembering" stuff that never happened but seems logical because it fills his memory gaps.
Over the years (at least twice a year) he would fall and need hospitalization/rehab. MRIs showed some brain shrinkage but no signs of stroke. With every fall he has the following *sudden-onset* symptoms: confusion/hallucinations; spatial-perception problems (fork "misses" his mouth), swallowing/speech problems, and inability to stand up.
Previously, after 3 weeks or so, he would *suddenly* be himself again, cooperate with physical therapists, and return home until the next mishap. Don't know if he's gonna come out of it this time.
How fortunate (odd word in this context) that your husband's impairment is being identified so early. Wishing you (and him) peace and more good fortune.
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