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My wife has never really been diagnosed with dementia per se. She suffered a recurrence of her ovarian cancer and end up with ovarian brain metastases in 2016. The only option to give her "more time" was palliative whole brain radiation. It worked, here we are 4 years later.


She is now bedridden, has stopped speaking, basically incontinent because we have to change her as it is too difficult getting to the toilet. Has some delusions but with Ativan as a medication that has become at least tolerable. Has no strength, we have to feed her and she is starting to not swallow her meds so starting to use liquid form going forward. Drooling at times, eating less and less. Sleeps nearly 22 hours or more a day. If she does become awake it unfortunately is around midnight. Not easy to get any rest around her new sleep schedule.


I still have the strength and stamina for the short term but wonder what to expect in the next few weeks. She was still able to get out in a wheelchair on occasion in January 2020 and now by May 2020 we are at home 24 hours a day in a hospital bed in our living room.

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Have you talked to her doctor? You said "we have to change her" is she on hospice care now? If not, it may be time.
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Have you done a telemedicine appointment with her doctor and described to him or her what you’ve related here? If not, that should be done to hopefully help with getting more info on what to expect. Also, ask about hospice services as that my be a help for you if yoir wife isn’t already receiving that.
When my mother was nearing the end, the signs were that she stopped communicating with us, stopped accepting food, and slept far more, with the sleep being deeper than usual. Once this was the consistent pattern she passed away in three weeks.
Do you have help?
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It is hard to give you a specific duration but death seems very close, weeks if not days away. You don't mention hospice care, she certainly qualifies. Call them.
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Hospice will come and evaluate. They may be able to give you a timeline. Your wife will be kept comfortable.
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We had Hospice come in for my mother. They really helped us understand alot of what you are asking. There may be other help you can get, speak with her doctor. The one thing I feel we can forget when caring for someone that is in her condition is that she can hear(most likely). It sounds like you have help now, is that a family member or paid help?
Praying for the strength you need.
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It is so hard (((((((hugs))))). Talking to her doctor and calling on hospice are good ideas. Can you arrange for someone to come in to give you a break. I know with covid this is more difficult.

Mother, who had vascular dementia, ate less and less and slept more and more over a period of about 6 months. The last month it was very noticeable, Though your wife is not a typical dementia case the slow down" seems similar. Sounds like you need some support. Hospice could provide that.
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My husband too is bedridden in our living room and under Hospice care(has been for the last 1 1/2 yrs.) They (hospice) have given him "timelines" many times and he is still here. Because of Covid-19, Hospice has cut back on many of their services including coming to bathe him (which they normally did 2x a week). That is now left to me, and because I have many physical issues, that makes it very difficult for me. Thankfully my son is able to come on Sundays to help me, but that means he only gets bathed once a week. Hospice also has cut back on their nurse visits. They only come to your home every 21 days, and do televistits now instead. My husband is on a pain pump, so they are required to come to our home 3x a week, which I am grateful for. I tell you these things in case you are thinking about getting Hospice involved in your wifes care. Things are very different with them now. My husband as well has trouble swallowing, so all his liquids are thickened with Thick It, and I put his medications in applesauce to make it easier for him to swallow. He also has a supra pubic catheter which you might want to consider for your wife, as that will at least resolve having to change her when she pees. All you have to do is empty the catheter bag twice a day. I do have an aide that comes in the morning to put him on the bedside commode so he can poop. I also have a security camera in our living room, so I can check on him anytime I need to. That is especially helpful overnight. If I hear him stirring I can pull up the camera on my phone and see if he is in distress or just awake and moving around. That has saved me a lot sleepless nights. Most of them now have 2 way talk on them so you can reassure her she's fine and that you're there without having to get up out of your bed. Your sleep and rest are very important, as most of us don't function well without it. Please take care of yourself. I wish you only God's best.
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I'm going to speculate that the ovarian cancer metastasis to the brain is causing some of the "dementia" type symptoms you describe. I am also going to speculate that she is near death.

Assuming she is on Medicare, ask her primary care MD to certify her for Medicare hospice services. These services are delivered in home unless the patient cannot be managed at home. If not, inpatient hospice care is available. There is also the opportunity for limited duration inpatient hospice respite care, to allow caregiver some relief. You should ask for the respite care right away so you can recharge and get some rest.

Hospice care will provide nurse visits, comfort care and you may get more relief. Medicare hospice also pays for durable medical equipment, including hospital beds.
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I wish I could help, but have no idea. Hospice, hopefully, can give you guidance. My LO has been in a state much like your wife for 18 months! We have no idea how long this will go on. Her case is different though, because she didn’t have cancer. I think the cancer makes life expectancy much less. It depends on a lot of factors. I hope you can get some help.
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You say she can't swallow her meds. Is she swallowing her food well? When she stops being able to swallow food or liquid, you have maybe a day.
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Judysai422 May 2020
My mother fell, had displaced hip fracture and was not a candidate for surgery. Because the displacement causes excruciating pain, she transferred from hospital to inpatient hospice, even tho my dad would have preferred her on home hospice, because she needed shots of morphine as she was not able to take pills by mouth.
Once at hospice, she refused water and did not even want anyone to wet her lips. She lingered 14 days. We thought she was holding on til my brother came, but even after that, she kept on for a week. The hospice doctor said three weeks was the longest he had seen.
In hospice, they will use a catheter, so they can monitor kidney output.
Mom passed the day dad told her he had no more songs to sing for her unless she could tell him her favorite, we also told her no one was mad at her, her brothers and sister were waiting to see her, and we would see her again some day.
Bless you, call hospice.
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All these responses (helpful for sure) bring back the realization that living a total-non-life is NOT life at all. <And a terrible drain on the caregiver.> Has she ever revealed to you that she’s simply had enough.?? (My mother & both grandmothers did.) Is she suffering?? IF she has indicated so, IF your state permits and IF the religious beliefs of you both don’t contradict: could you consider aiding her departure?
This suggestion is mentioned in the interest of the wellbeing of you both. And, no, I did not resort to this.
Particularly because hospice now is marginal everywhere, you may not be able get the help you both deserve. My top concern would be to alleviate suffering. All good wishes to you and your LO; this is as tough as it gets.
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There are medications that will help with the drooling. When my Husband was on Hospice they prescribed Atropine. (It is prescribed for eyes but it helps dry secretions in "off label use") There are other medications that can be prescribed for drying secretions as well.
There are typical signs that indicate that death is close.
Discoloration to the feet and legs called Mottling.
Sometimes a person will develop a pressure sore called a Kennedy Ulcer, typically near the tailbone area, death is usually within 24 hours but this does not always occur if it does death is rapid.
A change in breathing called Cheynes Stokes breathing. Secretions can build up in the back of the throat tun her on her side to clear do not use a swab as that can cause a gag reflex.

There is a wonderful pamphlet that you can read on line called "Crossing the Creek"

If she is not on Hospice you should call. The Hospice I volunteer with is still sending staff into homes and they will help a lot with information and supplies. The help is not just for her but for you as well.
((hugs))
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She is fortunate to have you, and vice versa. The love you both have for each other and for life is pretty evident from your post.
Depending on where you live, there may be services available from a reputable Hospice. Services I am familiar with in my area include medical and therapeutic (i.e. music) service for patient's care, providing support for caregivers' (you) overall wellbeing.
Supportive services include providing resources [volunteers and activities] so caregivers (you) can leave the house and do something relaxing and enjoyable for 1+ hours each week, and provide end of life guidance. If a reputable Hospice is not in your area, please talk to your wife's doctor about your concerns for her. Plus talk to your doctor about your well-being.
Remember, in order to help others you must use your air-mask first. You are doing the best you can and that's enough.
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i am so sorry you all are going through this 😢 If you haven’t already, get in touch with hospice as soon as possible for guidance and home assistance. Once swallowing becomes an issue, she’s most likely to aspirate from fluids which leads to pneumonia. Once food/fluids are no longer given, a LO can hang on up to a couple of weeks although most do not. Did your wife fill out an advanced directive at some point? Did you discuss how you both wanted end of life handled when that time came? If not, hospice will help sort things out, lend support and keep her comfortable. Keeping you both in my prayers
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I agree with the other answers posted - you sound as though you are exhausted!

She needs to be under the care of hospice AND you need respite! Even a day away will help! Once you have care for her, hospice or whomever, get away and spend time doing something you enjoy. It could be sitting on a bench at a park listening to the birds or it could be skydiving. Whatever it is spend some time doing that. Then you can come back, adjust the schedule so that you are NOT her 24/7 caregiver, and look forward to spending her last moments with her not just waiting for all this to end.
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My mom made it 3 1/2 days once she couldn’t eat or drink. She was non responsive so eating and even water was impossible,
We had hospice as well, they were a great help, but weren’t very helpful with timelines, I think it’s just really different for each person. They used scopolamine patches at the end for the secretions, it really helped mom.
You might look into a pure wick system for urinary incontinence. It’s an external device that suctions away urine.
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jcubed821 May 2020
Forgive my ignorance, but what kind of secretions are you referring to?
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Sometimes people hang on because they have something to complete. We hear stories about folks who waited until all the family had visited before they were able to let go. That happened with both my father and my father-in-law. With my Dad, I had to tell him, even though he could not respond, that it was OK to go. He died that morning. People who die when their lives are done (that is certainly not true for all) are very fortunate, but sometimes they need help to understand that the time of completion is here. It may take some self reflection on your part, but being able to have that "talk" is sometimes the kindest and most loving thing we can do. Just adding my 2 cents.
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Call hospice.
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The basic answer to your question of "How long" before death, is that it is very hard to know. Some answers below have given indications, If she stops eating and drinking, that is a clear sign that death is near, possibly days or a week. This would not be painful for her, as she would slip away peacefully, unless there is some kind of intervention from the cancer.

The sleep pattern is challenging, but not surprising. There are clinical studies that suggest that people with dementia take more sleep in order to lessen the effects of the tangles and Tau deposits in the brain. The long sleeps do not stop the tangles and Tau deposits forming, but they seem to minimise their impacts.

My wife of 57 years, now 10 years into Alzheimer's has been in bed now at home for the past 22 months. In September 2018 we all thought she was dieing, but she rallied and and has still retained the ability to communicate to a considerable extent. A local hospice has given very helpful advice. What she eats and drinks is very important. We find that coconut water with Kafir works well, and aim for 1,000 ml per day. Food needs to be mashed up so that it does not require too much chewing. We have considerable help from local Home Instead CAREGivers, which gives me space to do other activities.

It is not easy, but if possible care at home is certainly the safest and best option at this time, when care homes and nursing homes are so threatened by Covid-19. However, you need to set up a life style that is viable for you as well as your wife. Small changes can make a big difference.

Prayers and hope for the future, which remains unknown.
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This is so difficult. My mom passed away in February and I had many of the same questions you have now. Here comes some free advise. I was so tired that I called hospice and requested an evaluation. I knew that I needed more help. I asked for respite care. I found out that she could go into their hospice for 24 hour care. I realized that I could not deliver the level of care she needed. She would get 24 hour care and I would get a rest. It worked out that she got the care and I got the respite and she passed away. Although I knew the end was near, I was in no shape to have her die at home. She had received excellent care in my home for 6 years which I provided. When the time came, hospice really helped me. I will always donate time and money to their cause. I did check out several hospices and found a good one. Some are for profit and some are non profit. Work with your doctor and come up with a plan. Please do not try to do all of this by yourself. I tried but things worked out when I got help for both of us.
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It is hard having a bedridden patient at home. There isn’t really anything you can do but follow the advice of the doctor and your own instincts. Sorry you are experiencing this and sorry she is experiencing it too. I am assuming hospice is coming in? If not maybe get them as a 2nd layer of care to check on her. They see so much and will know more about her timeframe and comfort measures for her. Good luck to you.
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One of the responses below suggests Hospice. A doctor will have to certify that she is eligible, but most doctors will do this. Neither you nor her doctor can know how much longer she will live. Make the necessary changes now so that you can tolerate your life. It's not easy caring for someone who needs everything done for her. Talk to a social worker to find out what help is available for you. You may also want to talk to an attorney specializing in elder issues and long term care.
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Look for a Hospice publication, or perhaps find one online, that specifically and concretely describes "what to expect at the end."
It discusses eating, sleeping/waking, responsiveness, color of skin etc. Very helpful in dealing with each day.
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worriedinCali May 2020
There’s one called “gone before my sight” that hospice gives you upon enrolling in hospice. You can buy it on amazon and eBay too, for a couple bucks. It tells you what to expect during the during months, weeks and days. I found it very helpful BUT it’s important to remember that it’s just a guideline and dying isn’t the same for everyone so the signs and symptoms they describe may not happen and if they do happen, they might happen at a different stage than the book says. That was the case for my MIL.
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I neglected to mention that hospice is being utilized. The hospice nurse and the CNA believe less than six months. I just wonder since her vitals are good, oxygen 98%, blood pressure 105/60, which is very normal for her. Pulse is normal, etc. I would like to use inpatient hospice but I'm not sure that is covered since she is basically not in any pain and her needs are pretty much being met in the home. Although she fell out of the hospital bed last night and we had to have the fire department help get her back to bed. It is just a struggle and other options for support seem at times limited.

Her food intake is reasonable considering she is bedridden all day. Yesterday, for example, two scrambled eggs, a protein chocolate malt, and 4-5 bites of a chicken pot pie. Probably 1,000 calories. We are using Thick it for water now to make it easier to swallow.
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worriedinCali May 2020
In patient hospice isn’t covered by Medicare unless she’s actively dying. Like with 2 weeks left to live. But if she can afford to pay for a long term care facility, she could go in and self-pay and have hospice there. If there are “hospice houses”-what we call the stand alone hospice facility here-where you live & she can self pay, that would be an option too.
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Can 3 hospice care workers live in the home? That way, they stay quaranteened since they do not leave. May cost more money but worth it.
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worriedinCali May 2020
Highly unrealistic suggestion here, doubt 3 home health aides will move in indefinitely. And financially it would cost less to move her to an inpatient facility.
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I can't give you advice because you're in a really really tough situation. But I can pray for you--and I will!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sounds like she’s dying. from my experience which sounds similar to your experience it took a total of 2 months and then it happened. So, think <3 months. Let us know.
Okay, now that I read your response to someone it looks like she ate well last night, but that was my experience in the beginning of the decline, though my person did not eat as much as yours did. If hospice is saying <6 months I can go with that. The key is when they don’t eat anymore...more delusions/illusions, can’t swallow, maybe sores forming. I can’t say imperative enough, make sure hospice is involved so they make the transition for her as comfortable as possible. I didn’t know the signs of death either and she only received 2 days of comfort in her passing. I regret this now.
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Lots of good answers about how to care for her, but to keep steady, you need to care for you too. That's an important consideration. It's a tortuous waiting game. I experienced it with my MIL and my husband. I learned to do the simple things like breathe, go outside, and other things to keep my mind steady. And I found each day that I prayed about giving them the space to navigate this transition. That it's about making space for that person to find their way, because we really can'thelp them with that. Only support them from the side with love and understanding. It's like they're walking in a field or maze, gradually finding their way. And then each of them died when we caregivers were literally looking away from them for a few moments.

Tare care of yourself so you can continue to be that support for your wife. And recognize and honor the grief you must be feeling as well. I found talking to the hospice social worker was enormously helpful.
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I guess a good place to start is to have a discussion with her primary care physician regarding her current condition and prognosis. Have you talked with the physician regarding hospice care? I'm thinking that this may be a viable caregiving option as it will provide you and she with additional support. I feel that you need to be cared for too. After all, you need to take break to care for yourself and a hospice volunteer could be invaluable. Hospice also allows for a respite stay for her in a facility so that you can get some rest. In regards to the change in sleeping, is she waking by any chance because she is in pain or needs repositioning? I know with the pandemic, services may be administered differently, but I would investigate. It is so important to care for yourself during this time. After all, if you are not in a good place, it makes a difficult situation even more difficult. Do you have any family or friends to help? Church members? Or are you able to hire privately for evenings/overnight maybe a couple of times per week? It does sound as if her body is shutting down with the increase in sleeping and the decrease in food intake. However, none of us are God so it is unpredictable.
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Talk with her oncologist and primary care doctor about your concerns. They can give you a prognosis and somewhat of a time line. It may be helpful to have them prescribe hospice care - which is usually covered by insurance - to provide you with extra help. An aide can be with her during the night so you can get some sleep. An aide can also help with hygiene, toileting, and feeding.

Nobody knows exactly when a person will pass. If your wife if not eating or drinking enough and losing weight, those habits are not compatible with maintaining life. In my father-in-law's case it was about 2 months. He did not eat or drink enough to maintain life. His organs slowly failed and he died peacefully in his sleep.
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Isthisrealyreal Jul 2020
Taarna, hospice DOES NOT provide aides except for helping with hygiene. You need to do some research before you offer a solution that is not real. This time is so difficult without false expectations.
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