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The tension in the house is bad. We are walking on eggshells whenever he comes out of his room or throws a cuss fit about something. He is in fair health. He has invested in our home and bought my only sibling a condo so I feel trapped. My brother lives far away and does not invite him to visit or live there. It is so hard to stay positive myself and not let my marriage, or my mental health, suffer. Any advice from someone trapped in this same box?

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It was very kind of you to allow him to live with you. You have a very good heart.

He’s being mean to you. You know it: there is only one real solution: not to live together.

If you want to continue living together, there’s only one real solution: bump into him as little as possible.
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BurntCaregiver Jul 2023
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The other real solution is either he cleans up his act and behavior, or he gets thrown out.
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Why do you tolerate his abusive behavior? He lives in YOUR house not the other way around.

So what if he invested in your home. That does not give him a free pass to ruin everyone life in the house with his abusive behavior.

You and your husband have a talk. Do the two of you want him out of your home? If the answer is 'yes' tell him that his behavior will not be tolerated anymore and that he is moving out.
Offer to help him find a place.

If he throws a tantrum about it, tell him that you and your husband will legally evict him.

If you both want him to stay then you lay down some ground rules about his behavior.
You've got a senior brat on your hands. Give him a choice. Either he gets his act and behavior together or he leaves. Keep it simple.
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ventingisback Jul 2023
Senior brat…Yeah.
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What would he say id you said, “please stop being mean to us”? Would that set him off?
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ventingisback Jul 2023
He’s been like that all his life. Such people don’t change. They get worse.

If someone would have been able to change his behavior, it would have happened a long time ago.

They don’t change, no matter what you say to them, don’t say to them, do, don’t do, gray rock, whatever. They will not change.

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I suppose that you feel obligated to allow him to stay with you, since he invested in your home.

Why did he pay for your brother’s condo and invest in your home? Did he offer or did you ask for his help to purchase a home?

I don’t believe in mixing up funds because it can lead to trouble.

I’m grateful that my parents raised me to be independent. There were times when I struggled and worked two jobs but I had the satisfaction of not relying on my parents for help.

If you feel badly about accepting money from your father in order to buy your home, have you considered paying him a fair share of his money back and calling it even? Then ask him to move out and then you can live in peace in your own home.
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Dcoyne22 Aug 2023
He could not care for my mom so we all sold our homes and bought a larger one. He invested from the sale of his home but we did also. To be “ fair” he bought my brother a condo. Since my mom passed we moved to FL. He is not on any of the house paperwork. Mostly I feel so terribly guilty about how much I resent him and his behavior :(
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He is not going to change, and as he ages he could get worse. Not sure what you mean by invested in your home. Did he give money for a down payment or money to make changes to the home? There is a saying - never do business with family or friends. I am sorry you are in this situation. My father is similar, but I don't have to live with him. Good luck. Other may have some good advice for you.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jul 2023
Exactly! I just posted the same thing. It’s inviting trouble to lend or borrow money from a family member or friend.
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I read this often here, others invest in someone's home and at the time it sounds like a wonderful idea, doesn't seem to work out that way, as when one is beholding to another it is a trap.

Seems it might be time to TT your brother about taking him for a period of time every year as he got a freebie too.

Or, buy him out of your home and then move him to AL, children should not be exposed to his behavior.
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It doesn’t work out due to a couple of factors.

The person who received money from the parent feels obligated or indebted to them.

The parent who gives or loans the money holds it over their heads. They may also be sorry that they made a foolish decision instead of allowing their child to figure out how to make ends meet on their own. They start to resent their child and treat them poorly.

If a parent does provide assistance to their child from the goodness of their heart, they should never throw it up in their children’s faces. A gift is a gift that doesn’t have to be paid back in any way, shape or form
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ventingisback Jul 2023
These are good warnings.
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Most times, taking the ‘easy’ way out isn’t really all that easy!

Mixing up family finances can end up costing you more than it’s worth.
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This is why you never accept money from a parent unless you are willing to put up with their quirks and behaviors.
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But OP, I’m sure even if there had never been any financial help by your dad to you or your brother, you still would have helped him and allowed him to live in your house. You’re kind.

But he’s mean to you. It’s better you don’t live together.
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I totally get it. I am dealing with it too but since I stepped back a bit it’s improving. It’s affected my health so much and my mental well being. I asked the same questions but I know we need to take of ourselves too. I feel your pain…❤️
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The " financial" input from him may be contributing to his behaviors which reflect dominance, control, entitlement etc; on the other hand, his chronological age 91 may be contributing with unexpressed various fears about EOL , limitations on independence , loss of independence etc, or even feeling like a burden but unable to verbalize " feelings" it all comes out as anger,
" cussing fits" etc. On the other hand, when was his last PCP checkup?
Suggest:
1. Get him into PCP for " checkup" and have PCP assess his actual cognitive status ( he could be developing some dementia related challenges and often these are exhibited in behaviors you describe).
Share ( tell) the PCP about these observed behaviors at home and have him/ her discuss these with the pt. Get suggestions, referrals from PCP about symptoms mgt and, a referral to a Senior / Elder Care social services case mgr who can possibly make some home visits and provide support, assessment etc options for everyone to have a healthier improved quality of life in the home.
2. If PCP deems the pt. cognitively appropriate to understand and retain information, then have the boundaries setting conversation with him to talk about your needs and how the home can be more peaceful. You can thank him if you like for his financial input into the home but make it clear that you will not be held captive and directed by that. That IF you are all to continue in the home together there has to be changes. The Senior SW services may be able to help you have this conversation.
3. Confer with an Elder Law Attorney to discuss the dynamics, situation and get valuable information about how to navigate the care responsibility, accountability of aging person going forward. This may prove invaluable to you going forward.
4. Perhaps consider some form of Senior Day Care to get him interactive with other seniors out of home, give some struy, purpose to his days....perhaps it may help him be less aggressive, demanding when home. Check with Senior Social services case mgr and PCP re appropriate services options to consider.
5. Be absolutely certain that you have all POA, and other needed authorization decisions making documents for medical, legal and financial needs for him in place and signed, notarized etc etc to give you or whoever is going to be assigned the authority needed to make decisions for him as needed. Elder Law Attorney or perhaps Licensed SW can help you with these if they are not in place or need updating.

Trying to establish a compassionate approach to maintaining your sanity and health is important. Practice good self care,get counseling support, and make YOUR and whole family's happiness ,quality of life the priority while respecting the 90 yr old without allowing him to control,dictate and bully you and the home. God bless you.
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Investing in your home does not entitle your father to continue his rude and antisocial behavior. It should be discussed that if he is unhappy with his living arrangements, he can make other plans.
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Treat your Dad like the child he is acting like. At 91 there is some decline cognitively wise. His age does not entitle him to act like he does, nor does he investing in your home. You and husband need to sit him down, look him in the eye and tell him enough is enough. The house is yours no matter how much he invested in it. That was a gift. And that's how u need to look at it. Tell him living together is not working. That if he can't keep himself under control, he will need to find somewhere else to live. You cannot take this tension any longer. Me, I grew up with a sister u had to walk on egg shells with. Then an ex-husband. Its so hard to anticipate if what you say or do is going to set them off. So, I chose to not play into that anymore. I ignore it. They will stay mad or they will get glad again. Because its really not what I said was the problem, its the mood they are in. So, I walk away.

Look up "grey rocking". You ignore him. You act like he is not there. You only talk to him when u need to. I would tell him "Dad u act like a spoiled brat" Then walk away. "Dad if you don't like it here, we will take you to tour some nice assisted livings." "Dad, I am tired of you talking to me like that, it has to stop". Its not disrespectful to ask for some respect. Your husband should be standing up to him. Man to man. He should tell your Dad that he does not appreciate how he talks to you or his daughter. If he wants to continue to live there, then he needs to show him and his family some respect. If Dad mentions the money, tell him you will find a way of paying him back. Never let someone blackmail you.

If Dad has not had a full physical, he needs one. Physically and mentally,
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Time to give dad an eviction notice.
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my2cents Aug 2023
Dad has financial interest in the house. The child accepted this arrangement and now has second thoughts.
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Next time he blurts out something mean, ask him why he would say that and that it hurts you. Don't engage in the back and forth. Give him enough time to think about it and respond.
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Has anyone ever stood up to him? If he starts a cussing fit throw one right back at him. My father didn’t do that often but when he did I would start yelling back at him and he would back right down. I’m not a yeller so he wasn’t expecting that from me.
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Which moving company do you prefer? Please get him evaluated for placement, then go check out some places that offer activities and let him choose which one....give him a number of days to decide and don't budge. Contact an Elder Law Attorney to figure out his financials.
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It is Your House with Your Rules. Follow some advice from our other readers. Your father behaves, or it's time to move him out to a facility. To get yourself more positive, seek professional counseling for yourself.
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Makes you wonder if he made the investments to have a foot in everyone’s door bc his behavior would certainly get him thrown out.

If you don’t change things eventually it’ll start effecting everyone’s health (not his)
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True independence will be your ticket to freedom. Start looking for your own place, on your own dime. When "help" comes with strings attached it's awful. So sorry you're in this mess and hope you can find a way out.
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Your marriage and your mental health will be affected as long as you live with him.

Because: You can't change him. Because he feels entitled. Because he probably has dementia going on (and that never gets better). Because because and because.

Time to real up and recognize the truth, and the truth is in my first paragraph. Accept that. Now, what is in your power to change? Make a list. Big long list. Then start working on it.

That's the only way out of this.
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I am imagining you feel trapped by the financial arrangement. I urge you to speak to a counselor for problem solving and then maybe an elder attorney for helping with financial plans. The good news is your 91 year old father is in good health. It is reasonable to tell him you love him but this arrangement is not working out. He could live 10 years or more! Before too long you will find yourself counting the days till he passes. You should act now while he is still in good enough health to move into a different living arrangement. He may find friends and activities that bring a little joy into his life. That will bring joy to you as well. Just because he moves out does not mean you will abandon him. This current arrangement is designed to meet his needs only.
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It might be time to get him use to living at an age care home.

Start with a couple weeks of respite care.

How you ask?
Everyone needs a holiday, so find a great vaccination deal (a cruise, a trip to Europe or around Australia, whatever you like) and give that as the reason you're going and why he needs respite time in age care.

That would be a start.

Assess his reaction when you get back. He might even like it.

Then repeat.
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I posted earlier but would like to add to my post.

I seriously feel that basic life skills should be taught in all schools. I actually took an elective class in high school called ‘Marriage and Family’ because I grew up in a dysfunctional household. I was curious about the subject.

This was a very interesting class and the teacher was fantastic! We learned basic life skills about life if we decided to marry and have children. I only wish that this class would have covered caregiving for a parent! It would have served me well.

I wish that ‘life skills’ classes would be a requirement for all students to avoid future pitfalls in their lives. Many of us on this forum would make excellent teachers for this class.

As parents, it is our responsibility to raise our children to become independent.

We should never raise our children to feel obligated to us. I have made a conscious decision to never to expect my children to feel as if they are indebted to me simply because I raised them.

I have told my daughters that they will never be responsible for me in my older years. I want them to remain being my children. Relationships are damaged when prolonged caregiving is involved.

I have no desire for my children to become my caregivers like I was for my mother. I know firsthand how difficult it is. Each of my daughters respect how I feel and they appreciate it.

If parents choose to continually financially support their children they are teaching them to become dependent upon them. This is how FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) situations are created.

These situations are extremely different from the parents who temporarily help children get over a bump in the road. I’m not opposed to helping a child in order to be able to help themselves.

Children don’t ask to be born. It’s our job to care for them properly and ask for nothing in return.
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sp196902 Aug 2023
I agree life skills should be taught in school.
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Similar situation here. I just moved my 91 year old mother into my home 9 months ago. She is rude to my grandkids when they visit and hard to deal with. The tension in my home is here and I hate coming home. I had no clue that she was this bad. I work full-time and have to bathe her, feed her, etc. She cannot be trusted to be alone long and none of my siblings help or even care how this is effecting me and my husband. They tell me there is no other choice!!! I'm currently looking to find her assisted living because i will not be able to do this much longer. Had I known what I do now I would never have moved her in. Sometimes I sit outside and cry. I just found this site and am relieved in a way that I'm not the only one. I feel guilty not wanting to be her caregiver but I've come to realize that it's not fair to me or my family.
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NeedHelpWithMom Aug 2023
Friend,

You’re doing the right thing by looking into placement. I had my mom in our home and it is life changing.

You are wise to know your limitations. Don’t push yourself to do something that isn’t good for you. You don’t have anything to feel guilty about because you’re not doing anything wrong.

Take care,

NHWM
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Dcoyne22: Perhaps your father should reside in an independent living facility. Your marriage is your priority.
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When I used to work for a company that gave out pensions, we called it the "golden handcuffs"

I would suggest that you research where how and the cost for your Dad to move to an independent or assisted living center. Include in the cost, everything that you are currently providing for him, including meals and medication management and laundry.

Then think and put into words, what would he have to change for him to continue to live with you and your family. Is the list something reasonable or has life progressed too far for him to redeem himself? Be realistic.

Then I suggest there are 3 options for consideration:
1) sell your home and move into a smaller home, returning his investment plus a small amount for interest, and moving him out at the same time you downsize.
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2) refinance your house in the amount that he gave you
--or--
3) write a loan agreement where you agree to pay him back x amount each month which will help pay for the independent or assisted living facility. The interest should be fair, but not outrageous. Use a mortgage calculator found on the internet (google mortgage calculator) to see how much the monthly payment would be for the different interest rates.

Then tell him that you would like to pay him back for his investment. Under normal circumstances, he would ask why. Talk about his behavior with him. Use your list of improvements. If he doesn't ask why, I suspect that he wants out of your house too and at least you will have done some research ahead of time for his future or he might be in the beginning stages of dementia.

I understand that he gave you the money to invest in your house. However, that shouldn't make you obligated to put up with bad behavior so that you no longer can enjoy living in the house. If he is a person with reasonable wealth and he was not like this when he was your Dad while growing up, this might be the jolt that he needs to alter his behavior.

If he is alone most of the day, he might be just bored or being influenced by the TV. In that case, maybe it is time for senior day care or he needs to have more daytime activities.
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Grandma1954 8/6/23

The only way around this is to repay what he has put into your home.
If he is on the mortgage it might be tough to refi without his signature.
If you have savings you could repay him.
If you have no savings and there is no other option he will have to buy you out. You get the money that you put into the purchase and then move on. Downsize if you have to.
If he does not have the money to buy you out it would then force the sale of the house and you would both get the cash you put in and any "profit"
I would consult an attorney for the best way to get out from under this.
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MargaretMcKen Aug 2023
No, that's not "the only way". OP has no obligation other than moral, and she has fulfilled any moral obligation already. Margaret
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If he's always been this way, he won't change. If this is new behavior it might be the beginning of dementia.

Others here have given you good advice. Find a plan and follow through.
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