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My MIL had a stroke about 4 years ago she recovered well physically & mentally. However over the last year or two I have noticed some odd behaviors I will list a few:
She has a thing for having a tissues in her hand all the time she will sit with it & twist it in her hands.
Many times she will be sitting by herself mumbling away & nodding away like shes talking to someone.
Biggest pet peeve she will clean kitchen counters with j cloth then wipe her mouth & arms down with it after been told many times that it is unhygienic & not to do it.
Many times she will sit on the toilet & not completely shut the door knowing there are other people walking around the house.
She does not always follow conversations will listen then ask a question which is completely off the topic. example We were talking about my neighbors daughter said she's 27 years old my MIL pointed at my 8 yr old daughter & said who she's 27 years old..gets confused trying to follow a conversation.
These are just a few examples she is on bp meds & diabetic med that's it nothing else.
Could this be a start of something?

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Molly, has your mother-in-law had her hearing tested recently? If no, maybe she is losing her hearing, thus has trouble following conversations.

As for leaving the bathroom door opened, my parents did the same thing. For them it was because it was just the two of them living in their house for decades, so why bother closing the door. Just an unusual habit. I close the door even if I am the only one at home !!
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It could be evidence of dementia. It is always wise to get a person checked for a UTI or other infections, but as you say it has been going on for some time it is not likely that. I think she needs a full evaluation by a geriatric psychiatrist or neurologist. Make notes about her "peculiarities" and give them to her doctor and voice your concerns. Does anyone have POA medical or financial for her? If not that should be done as long as she is still competent to sign them. Let us know who it turns out.
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No Freflyer my MIL has not had her hearing checked will get it checked..Just all these behaviors seem so odd. Sometimes I wonder if she is doing it on purpose especially the J cloth incident knowing it is one of my biggest pet peeves!
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Golden23 I will mention to the family doctor next time my kids are noticing the behavior too. My husband is her taking care of her financial side of things & POA. Thanks for the help.
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Is she being followed by a Neurologist? Often folks who have strokes continue to have strokes or other vascular "events". These sometimes lead to vascular dementia.

I doubt she's doing any of his " on purpose". Make a list of what you're seeing and get her seen.
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Barb..i will talk to the family doc about a referral to a Neurologist thank you.
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Molly, let us know what you find out. We all learn from each other!
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Not being able to follow a conversation could very well be hearing related. It was for my husband and for my mother. If she does in fact have dementia the problem may not be in the hearing but in how the brain receives and interprets what she hears.

I talk to myself. I've always done it silently but now that I'm alone in the house I often do it out loud. I don't talk to imaginary friends, though. If she is having delusions or hallucinating and thinks other people are there, that would be more cause for concern.

My mother (dementia) always had one or two tissues up her sleeve, and often one in her hand. Her nose dripped a lot, so this was just a practical action. Does your mom have a drippy nose by any chance?

Not closing the bathroom door is odd, but not necessarily a sign of mental illness.

Each of the items you mention by itself may not be significant. But all of them together should be discussed with a neurologist or geriatric psychiatrist.

What if you attached a packet of people wipes (like handi-wipe) to the J cloth container and explained and reminded her that the blue ones are for the counter and the white ones are for her face and hands?

How is her memory, by the way? How about her sleep habits -- have they changed significantly?
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Jeanne Thanks for all the information my MIL does not have a drip nose think the tissue thing is just become a habit now. Her memory long term seems ok short term more forgetful.. She is not active any opportunity she gets she loves to sleep & be in her bed which I feel this habit has also become worse over the last year.
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Something is not adding up in MIL's brain. Possibly add'l vascular events. Possibly dementia.

Don't write this off as "oh she's just getting older" to pacify relatives who refuse to face reality. MIL has a condition (albeit undiagnosed) that creates ongoing cognitive issues. Whatever it is will get worse, not better.

There are probably in-law bystanders (or hubby himself?) who have no problem with you running yourself ragged, if that's what it takes to support their head-in-the-sand narrative.

Your husband and his siblings would do well to get real, get together and make a plan for MIL's ongoing professional care. A plan that does not have you as the patsy.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but this forum is full of women who went down the rabbit hole of caring for elderly in-laws.

Your MIL is undeniably compromised; and getting worse. Of all the near and extended family, you are the one who is frustrated enough to reach out to this forum. Which tells me that you experience more of MIL's behavior than anyone else in her orbit.

Boundaries. Now! If MIL does not live in your home, keep it that way. If she is in your home, work on getting her out. MIL needs AL, or possibly skilled care.
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Sounds like the beginning of dementia but take heart and get help!! first visit a good neurologist and maybe a geriatric psychiatrist who can evaluate her cognitive state. But there are so many ways in the beginning stages to even prevent or delay decline.
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I recently learned that hearing problems can make a person up to 5X more likely to develop dementia - there was a study (learned from hearing doctor).

Some meds make a person fidget more - it could be a reaction to one of her medications, even though she isn't on many. If generic drugs, the drugstore might be using a different supplier, hence an different medication that might cause side-effects.

Nutrition is also a biggie in dementia and 'odd behavior' in seniors.

RE: the bathroom door, she might be afraid of falling against the door when it is closed. She is a stroke patient. My DH fell against the bathroom door and now we leave it open all the time. We are grownups and we don't peek. Ray's visiting son was told that he can remove the doorstop but to please put it back after, and he just left the door open. (I had told him we are using the honor system and we don't peek in.)

Now I have a support bar screwed into the door itself so if the door is closed, the bar is useless.

RE: the counter towel - I have seen (and even done it myself) people wipe the dishes and then use the dishtowel to wipe their faces. I would say it is common and maybe she is a little confused. If the counter is clean (you said she does it all the time) - it is probably a pretty clean wipe anyway. Learn to pick your battles because reprimanding your MIL will not help her, and can make things worse.

BTW, how old is your MIL? Everything makes a difference.
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Wow - this sounds a lot like my mom - who has Alzheimer's. I have to agree with Barb Brooklyn - strokes can lead to vascular dementia.

My mom has the tissue fetish, does not close the door when she is using the restroom, and has full conversations with people who are not there. Not being able to follow a conversation was one of the first symptoms we noticed. She did not have these behaviors before dementia.

Get her evaluated and then you will know for sure. Unfortunately if it is dementia these behaviors will get worse. The tissue fidgeting - is the disease. My mom at times always fidgeted with her hands or the tissue etc. She also loved to clean or help with the evening dishes, but we realized she really wasn't cleaning properly. I had to hide the more toxic cleaning products and provide safer products for her to use. Eventually she was not able to differentiate what was a cleaning product and what wasn't. Maybe you can somehow distract her from cleaning or give her something else to do. My mom loved to sweep the floor or the driveway - it kept her occupied and she felt like she was helping out.
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Don't worry about pet peeves. My aunt doesn't remember, so we do work-arounds and 'choose our battles'. It's not her fault. She also can't follow a story line any more. Even with hearing aids and reading the tv conversations on the screen. Same with books, which she used to love. We believe it's vascular dementia, since it seems to get worse suddenly each time. TIAs can't be seen on scans. Good luck, and keep sharing.
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A stroke causes damage to the brain. Eventually that damage will progress to Dementia. She could be having mini strokes and you not know it. And hearing, yes there is a study that hearing loss can bring on Dementia. You don't say how old your Mom is but I have found that the elderly and hearing aids just don't mix. They have a hard time getting them in and being able to adjust them. Especially if they have arthritis in their hands. My Mom has hearing aids and never wore them. Her neurologist checked out her hearing in an exam and said she heard well enough not to need the aid. Have an elderly friend that was told she needed them. She asked me if she acted like she couldn't hear. I said no and did she feel she was having a problem? She said no. (She asked me because my husband is extremely hard of hearing) What I am trying to say...is doctors are in the business to sell hearing aids especially if they sell them. I really think MIL is showing signs of Dementia. Really, the sooner you get her to the doctor the better. Yes, there could be other things. Diabetes can cause problems. UTIs. Potassium levels. Dehydration. She needs a full workup.
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Thank you for all the responses will ask family doctor for a referral for a geriatric specialist to be assessed for those of you who asked how she is she is 76 yrs old.
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