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Is this fair? The family said the days would be worked out as we go. I will get free rent, food, and use of their car. I asked for every other weekend off.
It all depends on your duties in this position. How much care is involved? Lifting? Cleaning? Cooking? Feeding? Driving to appointments? Etc? Be sure you have everything in writing and that you can afford to do this. How will income tax be taken care of? It's a lot to figure out before agreeing to it. And be sure you can quit if it is too much work or if you will have no sleep or if get injured on the job there is insurance. What about your life? Friends and family? Do you know the person? "Worked out as we go" is too vague. I assume that means the person's condition is expected to worsen.
I didn’t mean to be negative, so I apologize if it came across as that. I think it’s a lot to ask of someone to have no back up. Are they planning to be your back up?
I realize you get room and board and that might be helpful to you right now.
Southern wave, you are not coming off as negative. You were being honest. My visceral response was way worse than what you posted.Caregiver1959, please don’t sign or commit to anything until you’ve consulted with an elder care attorney that has experience with employment contracts.Legal contracts are worth the $$$ and you will be protected.
I have a feeling that these people are incredibly naive about the true cost of in-home caregivers, or they're counting on you being that person.
Even if you were paying say, $2500 a month for rent, I seriously doubt you'd be spending thousands per month on a car and groceries to match the value of what they're paying you.
This is an offer that requires you to either laugh at them, or educate them. The fact that caregiving for anyone 24/7 is not possible makes this even more absurd.
Walk away, and if you apply for a similar position, know your worth, what days off you require, and what state law says regarding how many hours a person can work in a day. Also require the employer pay you legally, not under the table.
"The family said the days would be worked out as we go. " So you asked for every other weekend off, and they basically said no.
Is this employment offer all verbal? Anything in writing? What happens if you get sick?
Just guessing, but does the "1959" in your username mean you are somewhere around 63 or 64 years old? Is this really how you want to spend your senior years?
My DH looked into 12 hr overnight aides for his mom. $12K a month.
As for the 'we'll work it out'--hon, they will get you in the door and you'll likely never hear from them again, My guess is this is one burned out family who is ready to hit the wall with the CG they've either been doing or paying for.
I would ONLY consider this if:
You get all weekends OFF. And that means the nights too.
You have a lawyer write up a contract that protects you in every way possible.
Your withholding fees are paid by them.
You are bonded at their cost.
You have a meeting once a week to keep the family updated and you have a written 'right' to be with this person, taking them to Drs appts, etc.
Someone in the family should be boots on the ground at least once a week--to protect you and the family member.
Food and gas should be included, separate from the $2400.
You have a room and bathroom with locks so you can be assured of your comfort and safety.
There should be one or two backup CG's that you can lean on. (I get it, they're trying to save money, and maybe the pt doesn't want strangers in their home. But at some point, they do lose that 'right'.
So. Many. Things to think about.
Just don't jump at the thought of not having to pay rent. $2400 is not much for a month of being completely tied down.
My DH did about 8 -24/7's for his mom and he was ready for the looney bin after about the third shift. They've had to modify everything about MIL's CG. He was so exhausted when he was home, he was asleep all the time.
Don't jump into this without taking a loooong step back and looking deeply into what you'd be getting into.
$ 2400 and I’m guessing all under the table with no tax reporting and no defined backup CG and a whole bunch of maybe manana from them on details.
absolutely not & others have given you pretty specific advise as to what need to be included in a CG agreement. I’d like to add that Workman’s Comp & health insurance has to, HAS TO, be in place for you to ever consider this job. One bad lifting and there goes your back…. What then??? Anyone who thinks it’s OK @ $2400 for basically being 24/7 on call 30 days, DNGAF if you hurt yourself.
"Free" rent, food and use of the car is NOT a fair exchange for indentured servitude. At $2400 a month you would be making A whopping $3.33 per hour. That breaks down to $80.00 per day for months that have 30 days and for the months that have 31 days you would be making less at $77.41 that would be a grand total of $3.22 per hour. You can go flip burgers for more than that. What is being proposed is NOT LEGAL
And if they are reporting this and leave you paying taxes at the end of the year that is going to put you in a world of hurt! And you know they will report it because they will need "proof" that the money is being used to provide care.
Please don’t accept this job offer. It’s not going to work out like you want it to.
Keep looking for another job. Caregivers are in demand. Good caregivers are worth their weight in gold. I’m sure that you will find an appropriate place to work where you will be treated fairly.
I paid $275 per 24 hours for my parent’s live-in caregiver 12 years ago. She had days off for personal business and R and R. In those times I paid relief caregivers an hourly rate in addition to what the live-in earned. They were all welcome to eat the food. They had their own cars. You should aim higher, m’dear.
You need to go to your Labor Board and find out how the law reads for live-in care workers. Each state maybe a little different.
IRS does not look at you as self-employed. So these employers need to make payroll deductions and match what is deducted for SS. You need those Social Security earnings.
Even though u live-in, you work a 40hr week and r paid for OT. You also get time off and they need to hire someone when ur not there or they do the Caregiving.Your room and board are not free, they are perks of the job. You should get paid minimum wage for hours worked.
Before I make any agreement with them, you and they need to know your rights. Never settle for "we will work it out as we go". You can negotiate this however you want, but you deserve time off (think its 24hrs a wk). You make sure you have a contract in place, signed by you both and notarized. Also, have a back up plan if this does not work. You need a place to go.
Two weeks notice is not a law its being considerate. My State is an "at will" State which means an employer can let an employee go without giving a reason and the employee can do the same. Believe me, I have seen a lot of people walked out of their jobs with no 2 weeks notice.
My daughter is 45 and has been working as a Nurse for 25 years at various jobs. You know what she has learned? She knows her worth. She approaches a new job as what she wants not what they want to give her. They offer 80k, she made that a few years back. She now has more experience, she feels she is worth 90k now. Yes, she is willing to negotiate but she pretty much gets what she wants.
Do not let these people think you are desperate for this job. You need to find out what your rights are and what u feel ur worth.
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
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Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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APFM does not (and may not) require or even ask consumers seeking senior housing or care services in Washington State to sign waivers of liability for losses of personal property or injury or to sign waivers of any rights established under law.
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Where are the other 2 people? You need 8 hours of sleep and 8 hours off every day.
They are paying you $3.28 cents an hour if my calculations are correct!!!
They should be paying you $20 an hour, for 24 hours a day for 7 days a week. That is $13,440 a month.
Plus, you will have to pay taxes on that amount. It’s too much money to do under the table. Maybe you could but it’s risky.
and you get no vacation, no health, no dental, no retirement.
Its your life.
I realize you get room and board and that might be helpful to you right now.
Even if you were paying say, $2500 a month for rent, I seriously doubt you'd be spending thousands per month on a car and groceries to match the value of what they're paying you.
This is an offer that requires you to either laugh at them, or educate them. The fact that caregiving for anyone 24/7 is not possible makes this even more absurd.
Walk away, and if you apply for a similar position, know your worth, what days off you require, and what state law says regarding how many hours a person can work in a day. Also require the employer pay you legally, not under the table.
Is this employment offer all verbal? Anything in writing? What happens if you get sick?
Just guessing, but does the "1959" in your username mean you are somewhere around 63 or 64 years old? Is this really how you want to spend your senior years?
My DH looked into 12 hr overnight aides for his mom. $12K a month.
As for the 'we'll work it out'--hon, they will get you in the door and you'll likely never hear from them again, My guess is this is one burned out family who is ready to hit the wall with the CG they've either been doing or paying for.
I would ONLY consider this if:
You get all weekends OFF. And that means the nights too.
You have a lawyer write up a contract that protects you in every way possible.
Your withholding fees are paid by them.
You are bonded at their cost.
You have a meeting once a week to keep the family updated and you have a written 'right' to be with this person, taking them to Drs appts, etc.
Someone in the family should be boots on the ground at least once a week--to protect you and the family member.
Food and gas should be included, separate from the $2400.
You have a room and bathroom with locks so you can be assured of your comfort and safety.
There should be one or two backup CG's that you can lean on. (I get it, they're trying to save money, and maybe the pt doesn't want strangers in their home. But at some point, they do lose that 'right'.
So. Many. Things to think about.
Just don't jump at the thought of not having to pay rent. $2400 is not much for a month of being completely tied down.
My DH did about 8 -24/7's for his mom and he was ready for the looney bin after about the third shift. They've had to modify everything about MIL's CG. He was so exhausted when he was home, he was asleep all the time.
Don't jump into this without taking a loooong step back and looking deeply into what you'd be getting into.
absolutely not & others have given you pretty specific advise as to what need to be included in a CG agreement. I’d like to add that Workman’s Comp & health insurance has to, HAS TO, be in place for you to ever consider this job. One bad lifting and there goes your back…. What then??? Anyone who thinks it’s OK @ $2400 for basically being 24/7 on call 30 days, DNGAF if you hurt yourself.
And if they are reporting this and leave you paying taxes at the end of the year that is going to put you in a world of hurt!
And you know they will report it because they will need "proof" that the money is being used to provide care.
Keep looking for another job. Caregivers are in demand. Good caregivers are worth their weight in gold. I’m sure that you will find an appropriate place to work where you will be treated fairly.
Best wishes to you in finding employment.
IRS does not look at you as self-employed. So these employers need to make payroll deductions and match what is deducted for SS. You need those Social Security earnings.
Even though u live-in, you work a 40hr week and r paid for OT. You also get time off and they need to hire someone when ur not there or they do the Caregiving.Your room and board are not free, they are perks of the job. You should get paid minimum wage for hours worked.
Before I make any agreement with them, you and they need to know your rights. Never settle for "we will work it out as we go". You can negotiate this however you want, but you deserve time off (think its 24hrs a wk). You make sure you have a contract in place, signed by you both and notarized. Also, have a back up plan if this does not work. You need a place to go.
Two weeks notice is not a law its being considerate. My State is an "at will" State which means an employer can let an employee go without giving a reason and the employee can do the same. Believe me, I have seen a lot of people walked out of their jobs with no 2 weeks notice.
Do not let these people think you are desperate for this job. You need to find out what your rights are and what u feel ur worth.