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My neighbor is 86. She has no one, except people at her church, that help her out. She fell and was in the hospital and then nursing home to recover. Another neighbor and I helped to take care of her dog. Once she was home, people from her church looked in on her and helped. Somehow, about 3 weeks ago, she has singled me out and comes over to my house, ringing my doorbell 3-4 times a day asking when we are going shopping, or when we will do something together, or wanting me to fix her TV. My office is in my home, so I am busy during the day. I have told her when I would be done working and that I would be over to see her after work, only to have her show back up an hour later asking why I can't come over now. She yells and screams at me when I tell her I cannot drop everything to visit with her.



How do I get her to stop and leave me alone? I feel like a prisoner in my own home. I understand from people who have lived here awhile, that she has been angry and difficult for years. I am new to the neighborhood and feel singled out. Even making a set time to visit with her is not enough, because she wants me over every day.

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Well it appears the lady is not coping living alone now.

A similar thing happened to a friend. Helped carry a bag of groceries for an elderly neighbour one day.. morphed into being selected as no #1 support person in a quick flash.. calls, doorbell, requests for groceries, driving to appointments +++.

In that case, a relative's number was obtained & family then stepped in.

While your neighbour's living situation is not actually your responsibility, it is awful to think of elders alone without care in our neighbourhood. This does not mean you have to provide it.. but consider how to get this lady onto some sort of radar for the assistance she needs.

Letting her church know if you can.

Calling APS does not sound unreasonable either.

She may even still be having effects from her recent hospital stay. Many elderly people get a level of delerium from falls & hospital stays. Some don't actually return to their pre-fall mental state.
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Cheddarveil Jun 2022
I did contact her pastor. He is working with an atty to try and get power of attorney and then move her to assisted living. He has called APS, her other neighbor has called APS. They have been over to see her, and they are saying that as long as she can cook for herself and is not living in squalor, she can stay home. APS has deemed her able to stay in her home and make her own choices. She has no family. Her husband and both child passed away a number of years ago. I am calling APS myself to report what has been happening
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If your neighbor has Alz/dementia which I assume she does, since you put your question in that category, nothing you say or do will make her understand that she's being pushy & you don't like or appreciate it. And that you want her to please stop doing it. Logic & reason has now left this woman's sphere of cognizance, and her memory is shot, too, so she is clueless that what she's doing to you is bothersome. And she doesn't care b/c her empathy center is now also mis-firing in her brain. Their filters vanish too, so they don't care they're screaming & yelling, and don't recognize it to be socially unacceptable behavior.


You telling this woman you'll see her every other day or 3x a week or whatever won't be enough; even if you tell her you'll see her daily, THAT won't be enough; then she'll want to see you 4x a day or even hourly, then you should move in with her, etc. Dementia makes no sense, and everybody loses who comes into contact with it, for the most part. That's been my experience with it, having a mother who suffered with dementia for 5+ years. It's awful.

Why, I wonder, is this woman living alone b/c she should NOT be doing so. Dementia needs to be tended to 24/7 by caregivers, either in home or in a managed care setting.

You should call APS and report this woman as a vulnerable elder who's living alone with dementia, IF she is living alone, and IF she has dementia.

If nothing is done by APS to see to it that she's moved into a safe living environment, I guess the best thing for you to do is move away. Or talk to her family if you ever see them come around. But if they cared a whole lot, they'd probably have seen to it that she wasn't living alone and/or had a caregiver coming around to look after her, IF that's not already happening.

Good luck with a difficult situation :(
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NightHeron Jun 2022
She has said in another comment that there is zero family and APS has been alerted by two different people. APS has come out, determined that she is not living in squalor, and said she can stay in her home as far as they're concerned. The woman's pastor is trying to get POA.
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Who was it who arranged that you would care for her dog?

Get in touch with that person and tell them that she can no longer live unsupported.

Call APS and report her as a vulnerable elder.

Send a certified, return receipt letter to the management office/landlord and report that you are being harassed by a tenant.

See if you can find a family contact to call/email/write that she is in need of care.

Call the local police non-emergency number and ask for a "wellness check".
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This frosts me...I entered a great answer and POOF it was gone....
Oh well...
If you are working from home do not answer the door during working hours. If you were working in an office you could not answer the door...same applies WFH.
With the price of gas above $5.00 a gallon tell her that if you take her to the store you will have to charge her.
If you wish to put a stop to other things tell her Tech Support will also cost her.
If you want to be "nice" pick a day of the week that is convenient for you and "give" her an hour or so to visit. Take a break, have a glass of Iced Tea and relax. Keep one important word in mind...BOUNDARIES. No one can take advantage of you unless you let them.
If she has no family and you wish to put a stop to this or are concerned a call to APS might be in order as it does not sound like she should be living alone.
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Sendhelp May 2022
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As others have suggested, report her to APS and make sure they understand it is urgent that they visit and open a case on her. You want to tell your neighbor that people who will help her are coming, but not sure she'll remember. Make sure you tell APS she has memory issues and has a history of falling, resulting in a hospitalization. Thank you for helping her, you are merciful.
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My daughter has been working from home. My other daughter made her a sign to tell people to not knock on her door because she is working.

Do not answer the door. There is something wrong with this woman. Who approaches a stranger this way. If you are in an apt complex, report her to the office.
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I feel really sorry for that poor dog. Why is this world so screwed up? If this woman has dementia or mental illness she cant help what she is doing and needs someone to intervene. I would recommend APS but they seem pretty useless
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"Get off my property"
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You need to tell her calmly and clearly that you do not want her coming to your door or contacting you any more. This cannot be a partway thing. It has to be severing ties. If she cannot do this I would contact her church pastor if you know where he/she is. If you do not, then this is worthy of a call to APS for wellness check. I am sad you cannot offer some help, but the fact is that it will be a slippery slope to the swamps if you try, I fear. My best out to you. This is very sad, but the truth is that she may not be able to be alone any more. And allowing her to go unaddressed leaves neighbors open not only to her requests, but to the danger of fires and etc.
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mgmbaker Jun 2022
Oh, I agree. It's likely an all-or-nothing thing.

My husband and I wound up in a similar situation. Our neighbor across the street was an amputee and in poor health, and his wife was very frail and didn't speak English or drive. Every time he fell, they had to call an ambulance to get him up - until my husband once told them to call him instead of the ambulance and he would come help. Next thing we knew, they were calling him for doctor appointments and errands. The wife would catch me in the yard and ask me to come help her with things. Once I was inside their house, she wouldn't want me to leave because she was lonely, but I couldn't communicate with her so it was very awkward. When she grabbed my arm and stood in my way to try to keep me from leaving, I got a little freaked out and never went back. I'm ashamed to say I would start watching her house as I approached my driveway and I would make the block and wait until she was inside before I would park at my own house and then I would rush inside before she could see me and come outside to stop me. I dodged her for months before they wound up having to give up their home so he could go to a nursing home and we don't know what happened to her.

We tried to be gentle in separating ourselves from them, but they didn't understand that we needed them to schedule appointments on certain days or early or late in the day to minimize my husband's time off work, and they didn't try to be considerate of our limited discretionary time in asking for our help, so we wound up having to build a wall around ourselves and telling them no over and over again. We felt like jerks for doing it, and really hated ourselves for it, but now that I have become responsible for my mother's care, we realize how important it is for caregivers to protect themselves first and foremost and set boundaries up front so that they are best able to take care of the ones that depend on them. We probably would handle the same situation differently than we did, but we didn't see the problems coming.

This is indeed a sad situation, but by allowing her to impose on her neighbors, her own long-term situation is not being properly addressed. Refusing her help will ultimately force the hand of those better equipped to help her situation.
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I like the way Alva said this. For someone like this even a small gesture would give her the impression she can count on you. But to yell and scream because you won't come right away, something is wrong. Maybe she has Dementia and she thinks your her child?
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Wow, she yells and screams at you? That's crazy. Set a hard boundary...tell her no, you can no longer help her and she is NOT to come over to your house anymore. If she puts up a fight tell her if she enters your property one more time you are calling the cops. Do not go over and visit with her. Do not do her grocery shopping. Do not go help her fix something.
Here's the thing, she sounds like my mom who really needs to move into assisted living but is stubborn and refuses to do so. Instead she is living in her house, constantly asking neighbors and friends to help her and everyone is getting burned out. I am in another state and am trying VERY hard to convince her she can no longer live at home and every time a neighbor helps her it doesn't help my cause. She needs everyone to say no to make her realize she can no longer do this anymore. I'm taking her to go visit assisted living places the next time I visit if I can convince her to get in the car and actually go with me. Her stubbornness is driving me nuts. Meanwhile, she is a very self-centered person who has no problem constantly asking others to do things for her.
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Is it possible to contact the NH that discharged her to home a few weeks ago? They might have a social worker who can reach out to her and assist her with Her options. They may balk since she either bs’d them that she could manage at home or they were eager to get rid of her or both. Just a thought. Her church people seems like a good suggestion. And stop answering the door.
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help2day Jun 2022
Actually, since this is a neighbor and not an immediate family member, I sincerely doubt the NH/Rehab facility's SW would give you the time of day under HIPPA rules. She is at a crossroads -- she has contacted everyone she can think of and then some. APS has been contacted SEVERAL times and she has been able to "bs" them into having them believe she can manage on her own. Obviously, this woman has either some type of dementia or just plain will not accept boundaries (I'm guessing the former). I would just keep calling the local PD and have them talk to her about harassment of her neighbor. And don't answer the door.
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You have the absolute right to have peace at your own home.

I know this is going to sound awful, but you have to put her on notice and officially tell her she is NOT welcome and is trespassing, and treat her like a trespasser. If she still refuses you need to call the police and file a police report. Harassment is unlawful.

Sometimes you have to fight for your peace. The woman may have issues with dementia and is not safe living by herself. If I were in your situation I would get the police involved since she cannot control herself.
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Sorry to be harsh, call Adult protective Services. She clearly needs help and cannot rely on neighbors (or her church) to do everything for her. Explain to them she is totally alone. You also could call her church and explain she is very needy and you are unable to assist her and will be calling Adult Protective Services because she need care most of the time.

I’m betting her church can’t give her as much care as she needs either. You do not have any reason to become her caregiver.
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Santalynn Jun 2022
I didn't suggest contacting her church for caregiving but to add to the observations of her need for care in case they are affiliated with the various aid organizations; for referral, etc. Sometimes APS is your only option if there is no other support system. Or her area council on aging may have recommendations.
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Your neighbor reminds me of one we had awhile back; she was gradually going downhill, showing signs of dementia, becoming very 'needy.' She did not seem to comprehend personal space nor boundaries. Since she has no family to contact, get in touch with her church, her pastor, etc., and let them know she needs help, likely an evaluation for safety to be living on her own. Contact the social worker through the hospital and/or rehab center where she received care and notify them of this situation. This is abnormal behavior; she is ill. Because you're new to the neighborhood you are a target because others have likely learned to ignore her, not get drawn into her patterns. Put a Do Not Disturb sign on your door when you are working (or otherwise don't want to be disturbed!) and do not respond to her knocking. If she persists or escalates in any way, call the police for 'disturbing the peace'. Contact your area's council on aging for guidance as well. Thank you for helping with her dog, btw.
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Geaton777 May 2022
Santalynn, the church was already engaged. As an elder in my church I can tell you that without legal authority to make decisions on this woman' behalf, there's only so much a faith-based org can do. Also it is all volunteer help and this is where people fall through the cracks. I don't recommend it. APS is the best and only resource to contact. They can acquire legal guardianship for her and then get her the care she needs.
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As others have said, there is something wrong with this woman has likely had a personality disorder her whole life and driven people away. I understand that you may feel both angry and guilty ignoring her but that is what must be done. Leave it in the hands of Adult Protective services as she may also have some dementia and be in need of placement.
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Since she belongs to a church, schedule an appointment with the pastor. He or she needs to know that this member needs more help from their faith group or she needs help to transition to assisted living.
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Thank you everyone, for your responses.

I reached out to her church. The pastor has been meeting with an attorney to obtain POA so they can better care for her. He said they are trying to get her in to assisted living. The pastor said that APS has not been willing to intervene. Apparently, APS has been out to visit her, but because she was able to demonstrate that she can provide her own meals, and her house is not overly dirty, they have said there is nothing they can do. Her meals consist of being microwaved. She has no working stove or oven.

I find that to be hogwash. I have seen EMS at her house twice in the last 2 weeks. If APS deems her to be able to provide for her own meals, and she is not living in squalor, then there is nothing they can do?? Do they not take in to consideration someone's cognitive abilities?

The nursing home had to discharge her due to no further insurance coverage, and the fact that they felt she was able to care for herself, with the help of her church.

This totally seems like a case of someone falling through the bureaucratic cracks.

I have no problem telling her that I cannot help her, and after reaching out to her pastor, I will continue to let him know if she continues to come to my house. This may help him to obtain the POA needed to help move her out of her house and into at least assisted living.
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againx100 May 2022
Glad you were able to make contact with the pastor. Maybe knowing what a nuisance she is making of herself, the church people will step up a little more. Do NOT answer your door during the day. Lock the door. Disable the bell. Put a "Do not disturb" sign on your front door. Don't answer your phone if she calls.

You "could" call APS to add your information to their file and tell them their assessment of her being OK on her own is inaccurate. Then, wash your hands of it.
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How to get her to leave you alone is by telling her to leave you alone. If she gets too angry or "difficult" about it, call the cops.
If you want to do her a kindness write down a few caregiver agency phone numbers where she can get a hired homemaker/companion to help her out and spend time with her. Also talk to the other neighbor. See if she is this way to them.
Then let that be the end of it. Tell her you will have coffee with her once a week (if you want a relationship with her) but not to come to your house or call. You are not her emergency contact and you are not in charge of her. Let her know that you don't want to go to the police and get a restraining order against her, but you will of she makes it necessary.
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angryannie Jun 2022
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Encourage the church parishioners to help her! i hate to say this but disconnect your door bell and don't let her know you are home all the time. make something up like you have an office to go to. it's difficult bc she is lonely and 86 but you can't be her baby sitter. there must be senior citizen places that you could talk to to give the neighbor a call and invite her to senior groups. you just have to do it and you are not being mean.
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I am so glad the Pastor is involved.

I had a friend who worked for the Health Dept. She told me they are limited in what they can do. She had gone into many a bad house. But if the person is of sound mind and there is food in the cupboard and frig. they can do nothing about the dirt or hoarding. They abide by state law.

When APS came around this woman was probably able to ""sometime". As suggested, I would document anytime she comes to your house and her actions.

Please update us on what the pastor is able to do.
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JoAnn29 Jun 2022
Thats "showtine"
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This. Wow. DH and I live across the street from an elderly couple who we never met until recently. They have been our neighbors for 20+ years. During a storm this past winter, we could see a silhouette of what appeared to be a female outside trying to remove snow from the end of her driveway. After much thought, my DH went out there to help her. She appreciated the help, but proceeded to unload on my DH about her husband who just died (we didn't even know that), no kids, she still has to work full time due to financial struggles, and several other things. First time either of us had met this person and I was deeply worried that a precedent had been set for future snow shoveling or other support. We are not young ourselves and would be limited on what we could do and how often -just as this OP is limited. I'm glad DH went out to help, but it's a darn shame that I now have to worry about expectations or being taken advantage of for being kind-hearted. I think, dementia or not, elders' days run long and time hangs heavy. Tasks grow larger than the strength/stamina an elder has available. I can see someone thinking "surely it's been a while since I asked so and so to help me...." when in reality it hasn't even been 24 hours since the last request. Stand firm. Unfortunately, she may state that you misled her somehow. This next example was in an employment situation, but I once told an elderly lady to call me if she needed "anything" and to drop xyz in the mail so I could review it. She immediately called back and wanted to know if a "Number 10 envelope would be OK" to use to mail xyz document to me. Seriously? She called back for that? Yup, she did. And I had essentially told her that would be acceptable to call for any reason. However, in a high-pressure, results-driven workplace, I couldn't care less what size envelope she used and I didn't have time to deal with such nonsense.
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Myownlife Jun 2022
God forbid, neighbors helping neighbors.
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You are so right Mystery. We are suppose to help others but sometimes the others take advantage. That why I no longer volunteer my time. Seems when you volunteer its expected. If you ask me it will probably be a yes but that leaves it open for me to say no the next time.

We helped my GFs mother with appts. It then morphed into helping my GF and then her daughter. In 1 month 3 days a week we were running someone somewhere. Babysitting for my grandson stopped most of it. Felt bad that I hadn't stayed in touch with the mother. My GF, an only child, had died and the husband was ill. I just knew if I did I would be sucked back in and could not say no. I also was carrying for my Mom. The mother did find a companion that helped her who had no family of her own. So it worked for both of them.
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Maryjann Jun 2022
I do feel ignorant. I tried GF as Girlfriend, Grandfather, and Goodfriend, but I couldn't make one make sense to me through both paragraphs. I'm sorry, but I'm confused. My apologies for asking. . . .
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First of all do not answer the phone while you are working. Let her learn to leave a message and if this does not work block her number.

Post a sign on your front door " working- do not disturb".

She may or may not remember if she called you previously in the same day. The yelling and screaming is not normal behavior. You may end up calling APS (Adult Protective Services) if she is unsafe being alone. Elderly, even the best of them are very demanding and act entitled.
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Myownlife Jun 2022
No, it is NOT the "elderly". This woman sounds like she has dementia.

And she needs help. And as she has no one, calling APS may be the best route and d/w them she appears to have dementia.
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In this case you can’t even run or hide😊. It may sound cruel but, you’ve stated your position now stand by it! Actions speak louder than words. Don’t answer the door! Unhook it if you must! She’s a domineering type most likely and probably lonely as well but we can’t allow others to rule our lives. More than likely she’ll be at a window or door watching for you to leave out… so run to the car and take off….zoom😂 remember it’s still okay to say NO!
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I would contact her family and let them know what is going on. This poor woman sounds like she is unable to live on her own anymore without assistance. If you do not know the family, then contact the church--they may know the family. Ask to be put in contact with the family. Its wonderful of you to help her when you can but she needs more help than you can offer.
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Myownlife Jun 2022
The OP said there was "no one". I took that to mean she has no family.
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You all do realize that this is very much dementia-type behavior. And if she does have dementia, she won't remember anything she is told. Someone that has dementia may not be confused all the time, but they also may have very limited short-term memory. So, whatever the woman is told, whether she is told when she is oriented or confused, she may very likely not remember and not realize the extent of the "bad behavior". She needs help, not people expressing how awful she is. And it very well may be that she should not be living by herself any longer, but she will need to be deemed mentally incapacitated by a physician to be placed into memory care assisted living, unless she willingly agrees.
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Don’t answer the door to her you shouldn’t feel like that in your own home she sounds as if she has Dementia tell the people who care for her that you can’t be on call 24/7 my mum was like this and it’s why I say it’s dementia her neighbour’s were getting fed up as she was doing the same thing sad as it is it’s not your responsibility
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I would find out which is her church family, and contact her pastor. I am sure that they would help you. They would even contact her family I am sure. God says to love thy neighbor, so perhaps God put you in your new house for the reason to find her the help she needs. God bless her, and you!
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I think OP is doing the right thing by coordinating with the woman’s pastor, since he seems to be willing to take charge (as much as anyone can in the situation). Hopefully things will be resolved soon. Sounds like the best outcome would be professional care for her.
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