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My mom was diagnosed with stage 4 metastatic pancreatic cancer and through the journey to get to treatment her health has been rapidly declining.



I am 22 and her only child, I left out-of-state school to come to take care of her after a traumatic experience of my own. I take her to daily radiation treatments, chemo, and do all the physical labor as well as maintaining her strict medications and more. All while still trying to still complete some classes and have a part time job. The issue is all together NO SUPPORT. My grandma will put blocks to me getting my own car but also demand I not use her car for anything personal for me like work, food/groceries, or my actual urgent appointments. It is honestly killing me and I wish I could take my mom and run. It would be easier being on my own doing this with her than maintaining this third ridiculous element. I dont trust her under my grandmas care full time, bevause I know something isnt being cared for . While I am trying to figure out how can this exist for 4+, 5+ years hopefully if my mom responds well because I can't live under this reality forever. I believe people already expect my mother's passing and my family is ultimately telling me that my life doesn't matter till after and they cant consider me in the equation of sacrifices.



Her 74-year-old mother who we have to live with at the moment because my mom's main hospital where she receives care is in a state we both moved out of. My grandma is honestly a classic narcissist who always has something that she is more "busy with or finds more important." Like throwing temper tantrums over her nonessential appointments while I cant get to things like physical therapy, or demanding money from my mom to use on random house things and no groceries while I never even ask for help when my account is overdrawn. She doesnt cook either and only grocery shops for the dogs. It is also the worst Deja Vu possible because my mother had BRACA-1 Breast cancer when I was 10 years old and we had to live with my grandma again, I remember she gave my mom hell to "get over it" because "been there done that" Now she can't announce that cancer isn't a big deal and has ultimately picked to tell me my stuff is now "not the big deal." I am more than always sure it her undiagnosed a mental issue but still.....



It feels like they have it out for me and I have no way out. I think my therapist is even confused on options

I'm sorry for everything you are going through. The only thing I can suggest is that you disassociate from your grandmother as much as possible and try to think of her as a landlord instead of a family member, expect nothing and interact as little as possible.
https://psychcentral.com/health/grey-rock-method
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I’m so sorry you are going through this. If you were to step back do you think grandmother would step up and care properly for your mom? Does your mom have any assets that could be used to pay for caregivers? That is a grave diagnosis, and you should be allowed to be there for your mom as her daughter and not her primary caregiver.

I’m guessing by the ages in your post that your mom is younger than me. I would want my daughter to return to school and live her life. Are there any other adults in the family? Do you have a dad in the picture? These are all rhetorical questions, I’m just trying to think of solutions where you can still care for and care about your mom without giving up your education and your future.

Hopefully, other experienced forum members will weigh in soon. I wish you the best.
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You and your mother are both currently living with your grandmother.
You say you are doing it all.
Then it is time for you to LEAVE now.
Give the grandmother notice that you will be leaving, and get back to your education.

You tell us that your grandmother is "putting blocks to getting your own car". I am sorry, but that isn't possible. You can buy a car any time you have the money or the credit to do so. Your grandmother has nothing to do with it. You are a grownup now.

This is your mom's second bout with cancer. It sadly sounds as though there is a lot of denial, and I cannot make out if it is HER denial or YOUR denial, or the denial of all three of you. The statistics regarding stage IV pancreatic cancer are clearly deliniated online.

The three of you in one household is not working out. As this is the home of your grandmother, and your mother chooses to stay there, then I think that grandmother and mother should be managing her care. If you are able to look in and help I suggest you do that. This is causing a stew in which the ingredients are not blending well.

I am so sorry for what your mother is facing down. And the loss of her at your young age must be quite terrifying. But I suspect, living in a household where you and your grandmother are bickering over the car is going to do ZERO to help your mother.

Please return to your young life. Being a caregiver robs you of your ability to be a daughter. It is almost impossible to accomplish both. Be a support to visit and to listen to your mom. But return now to your life, your education and your job. That is more than enough for a 22 year old to handle.
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I would ask a Social Worker where Mom is having her treatments if there is any accomodations for people from out of State. By "her car" dobyou mean grandmoms? Did Mom not bring a car of her own? If Mom has her own car, you can use hers. Its just a matter of Mom adding u to her policy if you not already on it.

Your grandmom has u over a barrel. You need to find a way to get out of there.
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Ask the social worker for resources for other housing for your mother.

Buy your own car.

Keep your job. Continue your education.
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How can your grandmother 'block' you from doing anything? You are an adult.
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sadgirly Mar 26, 2024
If I can’t get to work, unable to work my part time hours , and have to pay for the Ubers necessary to get me too and from work ….. If she’s upset I have to pay for the Ubers to get to my mothers appointments across town. I don’t see how someone is able to save if it’s no consideration of my expenses. You’re comment is pretty callous and I necessary I’ve have had my own everything since 16, I know how to get to what I need. I’m stating that my family isn’t making it any easier in the face of being a full time caregiver.
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Short answer - yes, family can sometimes make things more difficult rather than help.

I read your detailed biography. I think you need to get "people in your corner" in this process. This forum is one source of people in your corner!
Also a social worker who can advise you, and maybe psychologist/ therapist to help you through it all.
One more thing - Your Mom has advanced cancer and might have more and more hands on care needs. You mention that you have partially handicapped hands. Will you actually be able to manage increasing hands on care? You may soon be needing to get professional help with hands on care one way or another.
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A 74-year-old should be able to help her daughter and granddaughter in some way. Cooking would be a good start.

She's using you. My sympathies for that. Please find a way to move out. Leave mom with grandma and let them sort it out. You are conscientious to take care of your mom, but you're only 22 and deserve a life.
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With narcissists it is all about control and them pulling the strings and the target dancing to their tune. My mother is like that.

if you need to use your grandmother’s car, tell her you will leave her to care for your mother 100% if you cannot count on this modicum of support from her. It is the very least she can do for you.

Play her game.
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First, I'm very sorry that you and your mom are going through this. Second, might your therapist see options that are discounted by "blocks" YOU are seeing as impossible ways out of the situation? It's really hard to to see our ways out while deeply involved in a situation and when we won't get rid of some of those blocks. That's why we go to therapists. Grandma seems to be the block in this case. However, she is providing the home for you and your mom. But then having a narcissist in this mix is just not helpful. Is there any way to find another home for you two while you go through this very hard time? I suggest you try to follow what your therapist suggests without blocking it because there is something you will have to give up or change and it looks too difficult. And it is difficult, yes. Very. You've been brave and have experienced so much for a young person. You can make the changes needed. I don't know what those changes are exactly. Move out and leave Mom there? Return to school and let Grandma get some home care to help with your mom? Move with Mom? I know, I know, money is most likely the block. How can you solve that? I don't know, but you might have some ideas. Again, so sorry for your situation. Breathe, relax, and go forward.
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Sorry you are dealing with all the family drama as well as caring for your mom, working, and attending classes. Seems that you and your mom need to talk about why you are living with your grandma - free place to stay, free utilities... Talk with your mother about the option of staying someplace else. If you and mom can handle living without grandma - then do it! If you need grandma for a certain reason, accept that whatever "it" is will be the only help she can/will offer. Try not to listen or take to heart your grandma's callous words. You are correct in thinking that she has an undiagnosed mental health issue.

Try reading any of the "boundary books" by Townsend and Cloud with your mom. Together, develop strategies to deal with your grandma's problem behaviors. If need be, use time with your counsellor to work out this plan and get support as you put it into place.
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Justwow123 Mar 27, 2024
I don’t think he will approve.
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I am very sorry that your mom has cancer. So sorry that you have carried this heavy burden.

Please go back to school. Finish your education. Let them figure this out.
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my God, you are way too young to be going through this. You need to do whats best for you at this point, go back to school
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Find a social worker, through your mom's doctor or however you can; you need support and likely a caseworker to help you and your mom. The situation is terrible, and so not fair to you, to either of you. Sounds very toxic. Get out any way you can. See if you can in fact relocate your mom so you can return to school and be away from the grandmother that is dragging you down. Yo not allow you transportation is sabotage. Research crowdfunding sites, like Go Fund Me, and create a fundraiser in the category that best matches your need; folks will see the obvious need and rally for you to get to a better place in your lives. If you feel overwhelmed at setting it up yourself, ask a trusted friend to do it for you. Ask the social worker and your mom's doctor to connect you to as many agencies as possible to meet these extraordinary needs. Your therapist may need to help you find a social worker, connect with social services, etc. It's not a 'talking' thing, but you need an action plan as well. It's almost like escaping domestic violence; you have to get yourself away from the toxic situation.
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Just like what Santalynn have mentioned on her answer, contact the county social services and request for a social worker or contact your mom's physician and ask for a social worker referral, let the physician know your situation briefly. Based on your description of the situation, there is a possibility your mom can get qualified for In-Home Supportive Services (IHSS) care. You as the caregiver can qualify as her IHSS primary caregiver and the county will award you an hourly pay for caregiving. The number of hours will depend on your mom's dependence for care. The best way to know more about this program is to contact your county Department of Social Services. Also, the caregiving income can be tax free if you are living with your mom. I am my mom's caregiver as well, my dad who is narcissistic made my life very difficult to advocate and care for my mom, my younger sister berated me so many times and accused me of not telling the truth and other wrongful accusations. My dad threatened to leave so many times for years and he is still here living with us, he realized he cannot financially manage by himself inspite of his arrogance to leave my mom and dropping the ball on me. My persistence to find help for my mom and I paid off. I do wish you all the best in what you do.
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Talk with a social worker in the facility where your mom is getting treatment. Most places have programs for breast cancer patients to get rides to and from the appointments, help with bills, bra's, wigs, etc. Stay less focused on grandma and more focused on a solution. Keep the information close to your chest...grandma doesn't need to know everything you get set up for mom. See if there is anyone at work you can carpool with. Get a bike and a lock to use to run errands or get you to work if at all possible. Do not give energy to anything that isn't propelling you forward. Check into on line classes to keep your education going. Have a mental goal of what you are going to do and where you are going to go when mom is done with treatment. You can't change or fix grandma, so kill grandma with kindness and hard work. Remember, your first step is talking with a social worker at the medical facility where your mom receives treatment.
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Kristen2037 Mar 29, 2024
I really like this response. I'm sorry for everything you're going through ALONE.
Yes, you need to connect with a social worker/case worker at the facility where your Mom is getting treatment.
Investigate the resources that could be available to you ie:
rides to med appts, cnas for at home, hospice?, grocery, meal help, etc.
Detach from the idea that your grandmother will contribute anything positive to the situation, treat her like a landlord as someone else said and don't engage in any power struggles.
I know money is tight/nonexistent when you're in school, but I personally would look into an inexpensive car lease so you don't have to come up with the money upfront and have access to reliable transportation.
I applaud your devotion/commitment to your mother, it's an enormous sacrifice.
I don't really agree with others who said just leave and go back to school, it's not that simple?
I wonder if maintaining classes right now is too much? IE: maybe prioritizing work and caregiving is enough at this time? Only you know if it's helping you or burdening you but school is ALWAYS there when you're ready.
The more I'm typing this, the more I'm thinking about Hospice. My mom is in a nursing home and she's being overseen by Hospice. There are 2 Hospice options - 1) 6 months or less to live and 2) ongoing care when you meet certain criteria. I would heavily look into this. If you can get some aids in to help with bathing, bed baths and other things like that, even if it's a few times a week, it will help.

Don't forget grocery delivery. Take advantage of a slow cooker for easy meals.

I'm sending a lot of love - you've been in this situation with your Mom before and here are you are again and it's not fair. It's not forever, though, and you will break through the chains before you know it.

And if/when your Mom passes, please do everything in your power to go BACK to your home state and get away from your grandmother. Never put yourself in a position to be exploited as your grandmother's caregiver, NEVER NEVER NEVER. Sending love.
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Whatever you do you need to put your education first. You need to have a future after your mother is gone. You will have trouble making up lost ground if you let that slide.

Id actually delegate the caregiving to your grandmother to care for her daughter. Help where you can.
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sadgirly: Speak to a social worker.
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Pack up and leave. Go back to school. You aren’t going to “fix” or negotiate anything in your situation. You have no power other than your own life. I tried to make it work witta borderline personality wife for over 20 years to no avail. You didn’t say your grandmother was BP but I think it applies to many mental issues. You can’t fix it or negotiate it away. Logic and reasoning mean nothing to manipulating people
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