My dad who lives alone and still works, had a serious complication to the flu shot several months ago and ended up in the hospital for four days. After receiving a blood transfusion, he slowly got better and was released home. I came down to care for him and after physical therapy he got back to his old self. About a month later he came down with the shingles in his arm and hand and between him having difficulty with pain and self-medicating, his health was declining swiftly. He was all but bedridden. I came again and got him through the troubles and back on his medicine correctly and determined though he is still able to do a lot he needs some basic care with meals, medication, and bathing. After months of discussions with my husband we decided to move in with my dad, (who lives in a huge house) and care for him. My siblings are on board and willing to help. Since we have moved in, my husband has progressively gotten angrier. We have been married for 20 years and he has always gotten along with my dad, but living together my husband became resentful. I do all the cleaning and cooking for both my husband and my dad and don’t mind it at all, but my husband became jealous of my dad. So, after talking my husband suggested it would be better to separate him and my dad. My dad agreed and we moved my dad into the living room and me and my husband have the den, so they do not see each other unless my husband comes into the living room to say hello to my dad. Now after 8 months, my husband says it’s still not working, and he is insisting we put dad in AL move back home. I love my dad and my husband and don’t know what to do.
I was scared of your situation before we moved in
I have someone who comes into our home and cares for my father and my husband and I go on a date
I have one sister who will come and care for our dad while my husband and I get away for a few days
Being a caregiver is the most difficult job I’ve ever had but it’s a huge balancing game
You need to make your husband feel like a priority, and you need a break as well, a mental health break
When your dad passes, you are going to need him, your friend, your partner
I wish only health and happiness to you both
It's difficult for your husband though because he needs to share his wife with someone else. You can't do certain things that you would at home, like go out whenever. Or hubby might be talking to you and then dad calls your name.
I know from experience awhile ago, residing with hubby and dad. Hubby and I want to relax and my dad was screaming in the next room.
Parents shouldn't come between a marriage. We love our parents. But marriage is sacred and should be respected.
It reminds me of this post. The OP has a sincere desire of how she can make this work and for that she should be admired. But while in this case the issue is not physical space, it is emotional space, etc and it simply cannot be done, three humans in one space, just like two cars and a boat cannot be garaged in a two car garage.
The friend had to decide which vehicle should not be garaged at his home.
The poster who asked if you were ‘sleeping with your Dad’ wasn’t suggesting that you WERE doing that, just making the point that it’s yet another thing you do with husbands, and that there’s a big difference in the relationships. I'm quite shocked that you seem to take this as a genuine incest allegation.
If you don’t want to change, we can only wish you luck. And also hope that DH finds himself a life that satisfies him more, without transferring his unhappiness to you and your father. It does seem a pity to break up a good marriage over this. He has tried quite hard.
My grandma lived with my parents for about 20 years and over time little things grandma did (and vice versa with my dad saying or not saying things) or said just built up the resentment and anger over time and both had a lot of animosity. Dad didn't want to kick her out but he also didn't think she would be there for 20 years in his house.
Set yourself a challenge. Go for 24 hours (or 48 hours or even a week) without mentioning F to DH. If you find it difficult, you have an answer to your question.
It is unfair, imo, to be criticizing your husband (what kind of a man is he?) just because he chooses to return home and not be a part of your caregiving plan.
Not to be taking sides here, just exploring the dynamics of the many things
that can go wrong. If it does not fit your situation, just ignore.
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Maybe a visit to your doctors for each of you is called for?
Did you all forget what it's like to be burntout!!
It's not fun
And I don't get the impression that the OP is burned out at all, but is just wanting all of us to give her suggestions to make her husband stay in this unhealthy living arrangement that is no longer working for him.
She seems to be enjoying caring for her dad and all it entails, it is her husband that is causing her problems because he wants his old life back in his own home.
Sometimes the truth can be harsh, but often it is just what needs to be said, whether the OP's like it or not.
There is no housing shortage in this family.
The Dad has his home,
the husband and wife have their home.
From your past experience: This is an example of how to NOT PLAN and a FAILURE to plan for your Mother. Becoming a ward of the state while at the same time touting how you by tradition care for your elders at home?
" My mother who had serious health complications did go into a nursing home when her medical conditions got so bad we, me and my siblings, could no longer care for her properly. It took only 3 years for her to run out of money (over $200,000) + SS and we had to release her as a ward of the state where she was moved to lesser home and she died 8 months later."
Is this the PLAN your Dad is on?
My apologies for not wording this better.
At this time, I am still thinking you may have burnout, but we won't know unless you get back to us.
Burnout may require a harsh intervention to get through to the enmeshed caregiver.
Giving you time to think this through.
Instead of moving your dad into assisted living, you moved your husband into an assisted living home.
I doubt you husband is "jealous" of your father, but of the time and attention you're devoting to him which should be devoted to your husband. Your father certainly doesn't sound like he needs 24/7 care or to be doted on, either!
Reexamine your priorities, op. Unless you're in an unhappy marriage and divorce is something you want. Lots of options exist for dad, including hiring in home help, having the siblings help out, or moving him into Assisted Living which is like day camp in a nice hotel for seniors.
Multigenerational living often SOUNDS like a good idea until the reality of it hits like a brick in the face.
No one is jealous of an 89 year old whose elderly daughter is taking care of him when she doesn’t have to because she has options.
He was happy in his own home with his wife. He is not happy now.
You are perhaps so busy “doing” that you just aren’t aware?
He may be saddened that you are ready to end your life with him as a couple.
That his needs aren’t as important to you.
True he didn’t get the shingles etc. but he isn’t interested in playing out your forever together fantasy with your family.
Perhaps he is confused about his feelings as he obviously wants you to have what you wanted but is authentic enough to let you know he is unhappy.
You say you don’t mind all the work and you seem to think since you don’t mind, no one else should. You have basically taken a job and are dragging him along with you.
He was willing to try. You have been consumed with your dads care for months now. Dad had a couple of back to back issues but is currently well I assume?
Time to go home. Refresh.
Let dad get back to normal before you care him right into helplessness.
Find a way to honor your marriage and your partner. If you aren’t happy living in your home with your husband, try therapy. You have been given a wake up call here and your strong reaction is a good indication that you have some work to do for yourself. Remember that you matter too.
”Although jealousy is a painful emotional experience, evolutionary psychologists regard it not as an emotion to be suppressed but as one to heed—as a signal or a wake-up call that a valued relationship is in danger and that steps need to be taken to regain the affection of a mate or friend. As a result, jealousy is seen as a necessary emotion, because it preserves social bonds and motivates people to engage in behaviors that maintain important relationships.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/jealousy
She did what she felt she must at the time. However, this came with consequences : her marriage ended. Maybe it would have anyway.. she had already choosen which relationship to put first.
Golda’s mother lived to 109 years old.
I’m guessing you and your husband (I wrote dad lol) are in your late 60s or early 70s.
So you expect your husband to give up HIS golden years so that your dad, who clearly didn’t plan for his sunset years, will have everything he ever wanted for caregiving?
You want to be 85 and still caring for your dad? You think your husband should be ok with that? I’m going to give it to you straight because I think you are in some kind of “handle it” fog and someone needs to get it through to you— your plan is NUTS.
You have zero awareness of all the reasons you are in the wrong here— there are many reason why you are wrong, not just one reason.
You want your husband to get happy with his captive situation? With all due respect, what world are you living in? You are 100% wrong.
Your husband is a fully formed adult who knows his limits and when to exit, and his timeline is now. He will most likely leave whether you stay or not and he would be right in that decision.
You already made your choice.
Now you want to MAKE your husband "more comfortable" with that choice.
He is not comfortable with it. And you can't make him be.
I am sorry I didn't know before answering that you were not asking about what you can do about your OWN choices, because you can never make them for others, and I would simply have told you to place your chips and spin the wheel.
Let your husband know that you will be fine if he cannot stay and help with the task you have chosen. Tell him you hope and pray he will be as supportive as he's able, come over with takeout dinner once a week, have a date night with you when the siblings can watch dad. Who knows, perhaps absence will make the heart warm; perhaps he will enjoy alone time.
You made your choice.
That's fine. Choices comes with consequences and I hope yours are all good.
Simply said, don't even think to make choices for others. I hope your husband is supportive of your choice, and you of his.
The husband has decided he can no longer live in this situation . OP needs to hear what her husband is saying , rather than try to force him to go on with this .
OP’s choice is whether she stays with Dad or goes back home with her husband .
I wonder why it took “ months of discussion “ to decide to move in with Dad in the first place .
The answer to that is that you return to being his spouse and not your father's caregiver, housekeeper, cleaning lady, maid, cook.
Your dad can hire caregivers.
Your dad can hire a cleaning person.
And you can cook meals and freeze them for him.
Not sure if this is an indication as to what is in your mind but I find it odd that your last line you say "I love my dad and my husband"...why did you not phrase it I love my husband and my dad? Maybe I am reading into it more than it is.
It is time to give your siblings a chance to care for Dad in his home.
Say, for example: 6 mos.
Read this, on the forum, under articles:
Caught in the “Fix-It Trap” While Caregiving? You May Be Headed for Burnout
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Cindy Laverty
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I love that thinking!
I would suggest to our OP that a good POA and care contract for shared living costs be in place as well if she's spending her own money on things.
When I joined this, I'll be honest I didn't like some of the things people where saying, but something inside of me new I needed something and I new I wasn't getting what I needed from anyone in my life. Much of what they were saying was true(some where a bit to harsh🤗) but things they said stuck in my head. And I kept coming back, untill I understood what they were saying to me. Also it made me deal with things I Honestly did NOT want to deal with. But for my mental health I had to deal with those things.
So I would advise you to keep an open mind, read peoples post and you will understand why we say what we say
I can tell by his additude, he is pretty much done, with all of it. And I get it. I'm don't think she does though.
You said:
"he needs some basic care with meals, medication, and bathing."
"I do all the cleaning and cooking for both my husband and my dad and don’t mind it at all".
Maybe you are burned out and have not noticed in yourself any irritability,
extreme tiredness, needing to rely on your spouse for more and more, or don't know what to do for yourself?
It has been a red flag that when a burned out caregiver comes back to criticize
the advice offered by other caregivers:
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("What I learned is not to ask questions to strangers. The answers I got were abandon ship and some were snarky, cruel...)"
there may be someone so burned out that they cannot see the forest for the trees. Did I say that right?
Half of your job can be done by a housekeeper.
I’m advised by answers here to place my dad and go back home with my husband or I will lose him. But if he were to leave me because I’m taking care of my aging father what kind of man is he. Aren’t we supposed to take care of each other? My husband has stated he will kill himself before he goes into a nursing home. He has no children, so I will be his only caregiver when that time comes. Watching me care for my dad gives him an opportunity to see what kind of a caregiver I will be for him and shows him what type of caregiver I hope he will to be for me. Years ago I invested in a long term policy for both me and my husband so that we too will be able to remain at home for as long as possible when we are older. (The policy we have pays for in home healthcare).
My husband and I know that caring for an aging parent can be difficult and there may come a time where we are not able to care for my dad and might need to place him in a nursing home, which we will do if needed, We moved in with my dad because his home has more space to give my husband and I our own area which we will not have if we move dad to our house.
My question here was to ask the forum ideas that would make my husband more comfortable here. Since my question posted I got much better answers from this small town community we moved to than I did on this website. To help others in my situation, here’s where we are… we found a church we enjoy and a local hangout where they have trivia nights and karaoke nights and sometimes live music. My siblings come sometimes to give us long weekends and they take turns to give us longer breaks. My husband goes home sometimes to take care of the house and get away. We are working on making this work for us.
If anyone here has constructive advice that might help please share, but I don’t need any self centered “ignore the people who need you” advice. I will not walk away from my dad or my husband and pray they will both be with me for many years.
Your husband is burned out. The only way to fix this is to stop the activity that is burning him out.
Your husband will likely move back home if your insist on staying with Dad. Are you okay with that?
“ Months of discussions “ can not prepare anyone for what moving in with an elderly would be like .
Place your father .
I've got a few questions for you to think about:
Why is Dad listed first here and Husband second?
Do you sleep with your Dad?
Did you say marriage vows with your dad???
Do you plan to be a servant for two men the rest of your life?
What is so bad about AL? He gets 24/7 help, meals, snacks, cleaning and laundry done, and access to medical help when needed. He gets a retirement lifestyle, with people his age, activities and no work to do. It's not prison with steel bars in front of his door.
Awful people from down the hall want to know if you're having a nice day, and would you like to go to bingo together? Meals prepared by a horrible ogre appear at least 3 times a day and you have to eat their disgusting lasagna and miserable fresh salads, and their hamburgers made to order. The Boston creme pie isn't up to standards that Ma used to make, nor are the warm home-baked cookies that somehow appear on the kitchen counter every night. But residents eat them anyway.
Oh, the misery! Oh, the tragedy! Oh, why do my adult children keep insisting that I leave my overcrowded old home that I moved into in 1960, and I'm still using the same dishtowels so I can prove it? Lord, please save me from the disaster of going to one of those horrible ALs!
I think your husband is on the right track. Wouldn't your dad do better in a setting with people to help and other residents to socialize with, rather than a resentful son-in-law?