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Good morning Arwen, from So. California, U.S.A.
I have been following your posts here, and feel so glad that you have reached out.

Was wondering, all the people ignoring the precautions to stay at home....do you think some people do not even know about Covid-19 pandemic?

I agree with you, all together we will win this!

Take care of yourself and your mother, as you are doing a wonderful job. And thank you for supporting so many of us!
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Hi Sendhelp,

thank you very much from all of us :)

I don't know why certain people seem to take it more lightly and are still ignoring precautions... It might be denyal and they think they are immune, mixed with selfishness, as everybody knows now that the majority of people are asymptomatic but can nevertheless spread the desease to others... all of us are in uncharted territory but they say "when in doubt, abstain" and I think that this is the stage where we are and should stay now, rules or not rules.

Warmest wishes to you and to all California
Arwen
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I appreciate you taking the time to post. Your advice was helpful. I live in VA United States. My family is taking this very seriously. Most here are not as concerned. I worry about elderly in my area. I would love to hear how you continue to cope.
Much love to you both.
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Thank you very much Inmanyforms.
We are watching the news about the US and are thinking of you.

I know what you mean about many people not being concerned, we have them here too, even now. It creates a sort of cognitive dissonance, doesn't it. I think now that what can make a huge difference in the perception is what past experiences you have about illnesses, hospitals and death. Here, on this forum, all of us have perhaps experiences of things that generally people don't have. Perhaps knowing in the first person what hospitals and Intensive Care really are, having watched people dying in the next bed, or waited anxiuosly in a hospital corridor for hours makes you see how precious and fragile life is and yes, after this, you do take things more seriously. Please keep posting you too, I will give my update asap.
Much love to you and your family from Milan.
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Good morning Arwen, how are you doing today? It's Monday, March 23. I'm in a small mountain town in California, USA. Its been snowing most of this morning. The sun just came out. It makes me feel like there is hope everyday.

We are on day 4 of our state governor's "Stay at Home" Order. They just told everyone staying in hotels, condos, Airbnb's to GO HOME, to your own home. People are slow to comply. Many grocery stores are experiencing shortages but they aren't running out I think, people are hoarding. Although it is frowned upon, after reading your post, we are making small trips here and there for groceries, or for my mom, but trying to be calm and just be prepared. My mom is in skilled nursing about 3 hrs away recovering from a recent amputation of her leg, and she is on dialysis, she needs clothes and things.

Schools are closed, college kids are home or going home, businesses, except for essentials are closed, restaurants are open for pickup or drive thru only. My daughterinlaw worked at a hotel. My son was let go from his coffee shop, but the owners, who are married, are still doing drive thru business. The owner is from France and makes crepes.

We wait, and we hope we are doing enough, Yes, there are still many who don't think it could happen to them. My husband and younger son, 19, live in Texas. Their governor is not taking this as seriously, worried about economics, we all are, but reading your posts weighs the gravity of the situation on me. I share what I without putting people off, they don't know.

I live in a town, an hour away from the city, and our mayor just announced on Friday that he tested positive. He is the first "known" case in our little mountain town. There isn't a lot of testing going on. Only if you have symptoms. A lot of symptoms, will they test you. They want to save it for those who are really sick and health care workers, God bless them. Our mayor is recovering well so far. It was only matter of time before we got in our little town.

Just checking in on you Arwen, and thinking about you and sharing a little of our lives. Your are not alone friend.

Love, gratefultoday
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
It is wonderful to read your story, it makes you really see how much we are all connected, sharing the same experiences, having the same confort just looking at the same sun. Thank you so much for sharing, please keep posting.

I'm so sorry for your mom and the amputation. My dad lost a leg too. I know what it means, It is very very hard. After a lot of physical therapy though he was able to walk again :) How long does your mother have to be there for? Is there any chance you can bring her home with you when she'll be better? Is the dyalisis for the operation or for other reasons?

About stocking up: I think you are having the right approach.
I refused the idea of panic buying, and still am, and I'm sorry if my posts have put you on alarm, it wasn't my intention. Again: it is not a matter of lack of food in the shops. It's both the panic buying of many people + the difficulty of online shopping, as for us this is a moment that we are really scared to go out.

I remember the very first day of the epidemy here in Italy: it was February 21. My best friend called me - he's a scientist - and told me we had 1 case near Milan. He had been watching and studying the developments in China for months and was extremely worried for the numbers. He did the math, and told me we were going to face something extremely big. He made me promise to go out on Saturday morning and buy food for me and my mom for at least 2 weeks. He told me to do it in the morning and not in the afternoon, because things would start running out very quickly. I listened, went for a very big shopping, spent the weekend cooking and freezing food and was exhausted; for days I complained with him that he made me panic buy and that all this was exagerated. Then a couple of weeks later I realized I was one of the very few people to have alcohol and gloves, and I now have to admit he was right on everything. I also didn't anticipate that in the following weeks I would be so scared to even think about going out, even for a minute. It's something that you just don't have any previous experience of.

Finding a balance between sheer fear and preparedness is not easy; I have to recreate this balance daily, and each day I learn something new.
But I have to say that from a very practical point of view having enough in our homes to survive for a while is giving me enough mental space to do other things and care for my mom and myself better, in a moment when you really need it. I don't know, this is just my personal experience of course; but I thought to write it to share the path that led me here, in case it can be useful.
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Arwen, I just read that the Italian govt now says you cannot even go outside even in your own yard... is this true?
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Not that I know. If I read something about it I'll post it here.
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@earlybird
You are just wonderful. Please tell your family we are deeply grateful and that we are thinking of you too. We are ok :) We send you much courage and strenght and faith that we WILL make it.
Many blessings
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thank you. very much.
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@earlybird
Thank you so much for your lovely, lovely message. It has made my evening. :)
You have helped me too, more than I can say.

I wanted to reply and follow you but nothing happens when I click. I'm using Firefox. What am I doing wrong?
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Thank you so much for all of that! We really appreciate the information and support. I hope you and your family stay healthy, and Italy recovers as quickly as possible.

I have a question for you. I have been watching what is going on in your country to get a feel for what will happen here in the US. So far we seem to be following the same path, but about a week or so behind.

When your quarantine came down, did it mean you had to stay completely inside your house completely (aside from essential grocery trips and work)? In other words, are you allowed in your own garden/yard—as long as you are on your own residence, or do you completely stay inside?
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Hi Tina,

it is a good question, to which I'd like to know the answer myself; the lockdown happened in different phases, with increasing restrictions and a lot of confusion. On March 9 the whole Lombardy - the region where Milan is - was declared red zone but they still left people moving within. They didn't stop the trains though so 25.000 (!!) people fled back to their families in Southern Italy before the lockdown started. 2 days later, on March 9 the whole country was put in a lockdown, but people could still go out with a self-certificate with the reason they were out (work, health or food). At the same time, they told us that it was ok to go to the parks or with the bike as long as we kept social distancing. Which is a huge contradiction to the self-certificate reasons, IMO. Then on March 11 they closed all the shops except supermarkets and pharmacies and start telling everybody to just stay home. But people could still go out with the self-certificate, and still can. Also transports are still working. Milan is very empty right now, but I still see some people in the streets, from the window. We can certainly go out in our private yard without a certificate. But they keep telling us that we are not doing enough and that we just should stay home.

All this has been very confusing. On March 11, when they closed all shops, I took my own decision that I wouldn't go out anymore, not even for food, or a short walk, because too many things didn't make sense to me. I took my mom in our communal yard one afternoon just to breath for 5 minutes and 2 neighbours came to greet us coming very close to us, and I didn't like it. So I decided we will stay home until we will feel safe going out again.

I don't know if this makes any sense to you, (or me!) but this is more or less how it did go...
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Thoughts from the deep of the tunnel.


More and more I’m realising how much this is both a mental and spiritual battle that we are all called to fight, ready or not; as each one of us is suddenly obliged to face his innermost and most ancestral fears, as an individual and as a race. Especially for us, who have huge responsibilities for others, this a huge challenge.

For this reason I want to share my most difficult moments, to let you know that if you are or will experience any of this you are not alone and that each of these moments has been temporary, didn’t escalate and CAN be overcome.

In order of appearance:

* FOLLOWS IN THE NEXT POSTS*
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1. Feeling all the symptoms (3/4 weeks ago)
*disclaimer: this is not an invitation to ignore or overlook symptoms. I actually strongly support the idea of both reporting any symptom, even the mild ones, and assuming you are positive in caring for others. At the same time, shock, fear and worry can easily become physical, as it has happened to me and many other people I know, so don’t go into panic if you experience any of this*

A few weeks ago, when the whole situation in Italy was becoming serious, I started feeling sick; every evening around 7pm I would shiver and have the chills and felt a pain deep in my chest. And a total lack of appetite. I had no fever and no cough but since it happened for several days I eventually called the hotline. They asked me if I had been in contact with someone positive ( as if I knew!) and told me that without fever and cough I couldn’t be tested. I felt a creeping anxiety coming up in waves: during the day I was fine, but when the chills would come I felt very very scared with nobody to turn to. I eventually decided to take the risk to go to a doctor, at least to have my lungs checked. She told me my lungs were perfect and that I was physically very strong and healthy. My “symptoms” disappeared completely after this, which made me realise they were just anxiety. Retrospectively, I took a bigger risk than I thought going to the doctor, as it turned out one of her strict colleague was positive and is now in intensive care. Again, just my personal experience and not to discourage you to go to a doctor if you feel unwell. I also can’t exclude completely I actually got the virus and then recovered. I’m just saying, in any case, this can happen, and can be overcome.


2. Feeling overwhelmed by the amount of things to plan, do and prepare (3/2 weeks ago)
For all of us caring for an elderly parent or spouse this feeling is familiar; the amount of little things to keep checked, take care of and solve is incomprehensible to any other “normal” human being.
From medical to financial to house maintainance to organizing carers, food etc we are all always on the verge of burnout. This situation - especially after I had to cancel all the helpers and became the only carer - took the level from “very advanced” to “zen-master-super-human-advanced”. Cleaning is not simple cleaning anymore, we are told to sanitise and disinfect. But what, exactly? And how often? Shopping is not simple shopping anymore. It’s stocking up, perishable and non-perishable, vital and non vital, long term, but for how long? Medical is not simple medical, is medical without the support of doctors or hospitals, so it means prevention, paracetamol instead of anti-inflammatory, calculating, stocking up for what is possible, and praying it will be enough.

There have been days when all this almost broke me; I tried to keep calm but my mind was frantically trying to remember all the important things at once. Did I disinfect the door handle after I came in? Which hand did I use to open the letter box? Do I sanitise the kitchen before or after cooking, or twice? Did I buy enough food for the cat? How can I put eye-drops in my mother’s eye if I’m supposed to keep 2m away from her?

I’ve lived in constant fear of forgetting something important and bouncing from one thing to the other, constantly. Until I felt that I was crumbling under the weight and decided to stop; stopping, and resting, made me realise that this is the moment to keep things extremely simple and slow. I’m doing much less now, so my margin for mistakes is smaller, and my focus is better. This has been a process, which was parallel to the realisation that I have to accept that I have very little control over things; or, actually, that the things I have control over are simple, and they have become my mantra in the worst moments:

STAY COOL
STAY PUT
DON’T DO ANYTHING NEW
ZERO RISKS
VISUALISE THE LIGHT

*follows in the next post*
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3. Cabin Fever (last week)
Depending on how active and how outdoor-ish you are, this is very likely to occurr.
I felt I was “wasting” the sun and my life and felt trapped for the most part of last week, since the total lockdown began and I have stopped going out. The good news is- it does pass.
I have now adopted a much slower rhythm in everything, and on suggestion of the emergency psychologist, since I can’t go out of the tunnel, I have started “furnishing it” and take this time to relax and try to care for myself as much as I can. I also have to say that I had started feeling nervous every time I had to go out, just before the lockdown, so now I’m welcoming this feeling of safety that a home gives you. It also helps me a lot being in front of the open window, in the sun.


4. Lack of Focus (last week)
I felt terrible in noticing that the majority of my work commitments and projects (that I normally do online and via telephone) started quickly feel like impossible tasks. My lack of focus was scary.
The reality is that a huge part of our energy is employed in containing fear, simple as that.
I have now cut down my plans and commitments to one single work project that I do in the mornings, while the rest of the day and evening is dedicated to take care of the house and my mom.
It feels much much better this way. We are humans. We truly need to be loving to ourselves in this extremely difficult moment and spare our energy as much as we can.


5. Fear of starving (this past week)
This is something I have never experienced before but - as bad as it is - it’s one of the most powerful “shake” I’m experiencing in learning to feel really grateful for what we have and not taking anything, anything for granted. Which I strongly believe is a spiritual key in overcoming this huge threat we are living, personally and globally.
A few days ago, knowing that food delivery is becoming a problem, I decided to prepare well ahead and order stuff in advance of at least 1 week. I tried to login on the supermarket website and realised that I couldn’t; they now have a new system that makes you wait “in line” before able to access the site and an announcement that they will privilege old citizens. I thought it was fair enough and an actual improvement; except that when I was finally able to do my shopping and was ready to check out things were disappearing one by one from my cart and every time the system was stopping the checkout and made me go back to cancel the item. I had to go back one item at a time 34 times, while the delivery time slots were quickly disappearing. It took me hours, and just out of luck I eventually made it in time for the last available slot. At the end of the process I was hyperventilating.

Now that I have some food again and I’m calmer, it suddenly occurred to me that instead of supermarkets I can try to call the local shops: I called my little groceries shop yesterday and found out that they have already started delivery out of the door! Which is fantastic, so that I’ll be able to buy fruits and veggies again and they will keep being in business, with nobody in the streets.

All this to say: food is and will be available, it’s just a matter of keeping calm (easier said than done I know) and think of alternatives to the most obvious ones.

*follows in the next post**
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6. Feeling totally isolated (this past week)
I’m an introvert, and I am a freelance working from home. I’m very used to, and actually thrive, in being alone and love silence and quiet.
The silence that we are experiencing now though is different; especially, because the only sound we hear - and very often in this last week , unfortunately - is the sirens of the ambulances.
It makes you feel like you are on a small island, alone, while out there there are huge waves approaching. This is what makes people singing at balconies. I do understand them.
At the same time, I think this is the time to really be silent; in respect to the thousands of people who are suffering, and truly isolated, in hospitals, to their families in pain at home, to the doctors who have been working non stop for us for a month now, but also to keep being alert and vigile. Sometimes I feel like Italians are like the Hobbits, always ready to sing and be merry to cheer themselves up, lighting fires in the middle of the night to have their second breakfast and unaware that the Wraiths are very close… Yes, I do miss my old life, I found myself missing the honking of the cars, the buzz of the city, I watched people with a light on their window with tears in my eyes. The silence felt eerie, and wrong. Now though, my perception has shifted. This will be a long battle. We need to keep in top shape and being alert. We need this silence to meditate, to pray, to rest, to prepare, to absorb, to simply think.
I’m embracing the silence now as part of an inner battle towards becoming a stronger, better human being.



7. Burnout and Fear (last couple of days)
After 2 weeks of caring for my mom by myself and not sleeping well in the last few days, I have started feeling fried. Won’t tell you the symptoms because I’m sure you know very well what I’m talking about. I’m in awe of all you you who can do it non-stop 24/7, always. For me, it’s mentally too taxing, especially ( I know it sounds crazy in this difficult moment, but it’s true) because my mom is an extravert who talks a lot, and I’m an introvert and after a few hours with others I feel exhausted.
After a lot of thinking I decided that if I want to keep my sanity i need to find a way to rest and be alone, at least a few hours every day. I have decided to go back to my apartment (which is across the yard) in the mornings and I feel much better. It is a small risk that I’m taking but I think each one of us has to know where her or his limits are.

For the Fear; it is at its worse when I watch the news and everything seems just worse and worse and the pain of people and the worry just affect me so much that I feel like I can’t breath anymore.
For this reason, I’m not watching TV anymore. When I feel especially strong, I quickly read the titles on the online newspapers. I’m not saying this is the right approach, any of these really, I’m just saying that we need our energies for helping ourselves and others in this very moment, and I don’t want waste any of it in felling terrified, it doesn’t help anyone and it doesn’t change the situation.

What is helping me the most is this thought: the more I stay calm, the better chances I have to survive this.

With love
Arwen
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Riverdale Mar 2020
Thanks for all that. With all the hype one over guesses the slightest cough. Yesterday it was "Oh no my nose is running" remembering that it always runs especially with pollen. I've heard people say they dare not sneeze. I have the reverse of no appetite and no fear at all of starving.
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Hey Arwen,
Just thinking of you tonight!
Hoping you and Mom are doing well and staying strong.
Sending prayers and support your way!
You're not alone!
Mom is so blessed to have you!
God bless!
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Thank you very much Xrayjodib; in the middle of this unbeliavable nightmare we are living at the moment, the voice of all you out there is keeping us alive.

I will post something tonight; it won't be a report on the amount of deaths or pain we are experiencing. I want to write something useful. I'm a practical, down to earth person. I can focus. I will write a new list.
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My grandson's mom is an RN in a Minneapolis hospital. She said there are 10 patients on her floor that are being "ruled out" for C19 but the tests were sent out last Friday and results still not back as of today, 3/19. They must have received the earlier tests that took longer to process. Having a jillion test kits won't help much if the results take this long to return. I'm sure those labs are overwhelmed. One step forward, two steps back...ugh!
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Arwen,
Thanks so much for your insight!!
We just canceled our first trip to Italy. Very disappointed!
Sending hugs and prayers to you, your mother and your cat!
Ciao!
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The only, only solution - at least for now - is prevention. We have to push our governments for this, urgently. Please have a look at this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19

This is the only place in Italy where they have stopped the virus and curb it at the very beginning.

"“Here there were the first two cases. We tested everyone, even if the ‘experts’ told us this was a mistake: 3,000 tests. We found 66 positives, who we isolated for 14 days, and after that 6 of them were still positive. And that is how we ended it.’’"

I think that there's a very high percentage of us that could be positive and asymptomatic. Which is good news and bad news at the same time. People need to be tested massively. Instead of thinking of future helps for the economy, this is where the money has to be invested, NOW.
It could make a huge difference also in our decisions as caretakers of the elderlies. I'm now trying to care for my mom as I was positive and keeping 2m distant all the time, the most that I can.
We are ok, but I haven't slept 1 single minute tonight.
Thank you for all your precious comments and replies.
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
So sorry that you haven’t slept. This is life altering. It’s so disturbing to see so many people testing positive.

We have to try to avoid the spreading as much as possible.
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Mayday,   guns and ammo aren't solutions; I think they're for protection as people get frantic, and sometimes crazy, and become violent.    I've been thinking of getting some shooting practice in just in case....If people are cut off from food, and/or if shortages become worse, sometimes some types of people become panicky, kind of nutty, and desperate.
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xrayjodib Mar 2020
GardenArtist,
I know I may sound harsh to some, but I totally agree with you!
The reality is when people get desperate, they do desperate things.
Even though I live in a rural area, there is still a drug problem and the crime that goes with it.
I'm not a survivalist. I'm not paranoid, but I am installing a security camera and I have plenty of ammo!
I'm not afraid of admit it, nor am I afraid to protect my home.
To be forewarned is to be forearmed.
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After 3 days I found the courage this morning to read the news.
The numbers are still rising even if not esponentially but somehow slightly less.
The biggest concern is the virus is approaching the city though. We are 3.4 million in the metropolitan area and 1.4 in the city itself. The next five days will be our biggest battle, our Helm's Deep. If we crumble, not only our hospitals will collapse but the whole nation's.

I have just one image in front of my eyes this morning; Gandalf in front of the Ballrog, on that bridge, when he raises his stick and shouts with all his power "You, shall, not, pass". And a bright light surrounds him.

Please keep us in your prayers.
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Treeartist Mar 2020
I love your Lord of the Rings allusion so much! Helm’s Deep and Gandalf. Yes, “You shall not pass!”. My daughter prayed a similar prayer over her home and family that the Blood of Jesus would make the virus Passover them all.

Thank you, Arwen, for your report and advice. I will indeed, pray for you and your mother. Look up Rebecca Arendell Franks on Facebook. One of her posts appeared on my FB page, and it was absolutely inspiring. She is an American from Shreveport, Louisiana, who is living and working in Wuhan, China -ground zero of the corona virus.
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Just tonight.. People think GUNS are the cure? Or just for safety... Odd.. Someone is going to hold me hostage for my toilet paper? You farting up the wrong tree, dude...I can't buy any.. because people don't know about psyllium husk fiber. Clears your gut in one night... Yes, I know, but LESS TOILET PAPER :) Perhaps there would be some left for me....
Look on the brighter side of the bowl...

Hey, I will give you the other lost sock to Use... Now I have 2 pairs that are mismatched... worse case scenarios...use the left over sock, or the right... whichever you are holding.
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xrayjodib Mar 2020
MayDay,
I decided to stock up on coffee instead of TP.
I figured if worse comes to worse, I could cut up old towels and wash them.
I can deal without TP, but I don't think I can deal without my coffee!! Lol
This too shall pass! (Oops, Hopefully in small amounts)
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Some of you asked me for an update so here it is.

Today we cleaned and sanitized the whole house and my mom helped me.
She's 93 but pretty active and she was very pleased with herself :)
I had lots of calls from friends and that cheered me up a lot.
I also decided to skip the news for today and was feeling much better; I don't want to go into denyal or bury my head under the sand, it's just that the amount of pain and worry I felt in the last few days was really eating me alive.
Then a friend of my mom called and she told her that one of their close friends is positive and in intensive care here in Milan. He's a doctor, like my mom was when she was younger, and has been an incredible friend and point of reference for her. We don't know if we'll ever see him again. If he dies, he won't even have a funeral, because they stopped all ceremonies.
This is enough to break your heart but no, there's more.
I suddenly realized that my mom saw him 3 or 4 weeks ago. And I saw another doctor who was part of their circle just last week.
So my countdown has to start again, I can't be 100% sure we are both fine anymore. This sounds so sad to think and say, in such a terrible moment for him, but it's the truth. We are being paranoid like this, now.

Tonight I'm not just hoping that all this will stop soon for all the people in the world, but I hope that we'll be able to be open and trust each other again without fear. It seems a far away dream right now.
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
Me too. I want it to end as soon as possible too.
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The panic mode here is extremely high... I heard from a couple of people it COULD be a power thing from higher ups.. Didn't think any government could be so powerful to shut down everyone, but it's looking that way. 
GLOBAL WARMING CONFERENCE was Postponed or shut down. schools... churches, local hotspots - Disney, Universal Studios-theaters, sport events.
Is this a wake up call? How long have these people been eating bats? And WHY? Why Would Anyone Eat a Bat? I am not educated on this at all... Cultural, Culinary, or Hunger. So, some people ate a bad batch of bats, got sick, had other people visit and fed them the same bat stew... and somehow, they in turn spread it so far so quickly around the GLOBE... THE WORLD NOW HAS THIS DISEASE SPREADING TO ALL CORNERS unknowingly, And some say it's the powers of people in high places. Whose Fault Is It? Or Is It Anyone's Fault? Why eat bat..It's a rat with wings if you look at it.. Then again, I am not educated in this subject at all.. Then again the Bird Flu was very bad, but the reaction of businesses shutting down was not a part of that virus..like this one is. The treatment is not so glorified, once you are in hospital..Intubating to get the lungs moving,, It's hard. And if we do our share, and try to stay 6 feet away from people, clean our hands often, be aware of our surroundings, perhaps, it will dissipate.
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
I love your common sense. :)
You are right. Why eating bats? From my point of view, why eating animals at all? Perhaps all this happaned to wake us up once for all; things must really change, we must change our perspective, behaviour, level of energy and evolution. Not tomorrow. Right now.
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When I was little, Mom always said to me: Go ahead and go swimming, The Ocean will make you better or worse. I loved the beach. The ocean 99% of the time made me better. Just diving into the ocean made me feel better..It's nature, natural. Mom was right, It did make me better most of the time, perhaps, it cleared out the sinuses etc.
another friend told me that lemons make water more alkaline, or was that with green matcha tea? Think it was lemons n water.. Anyway, she said that viruses cannot grow in high alkaline... Look it up.. I'm not educated in that either, but I find it very interesting.. I put lemons in my water daily. The flavor is always good.
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yes, I made up the Happy Floppy Feather Hand Wave when my friend had an issue with elbowing me. And she wanted me to not get any closer than 6 feet. Mind you, she has been my best friend for over 30 years... And she still looks like she is 30... So, I gladly oblige to her safety net of 6 feet, no touching... but the Happy Floppy Feather Hand Wave made us both laugh :) She is still one of my best friends. The other I have know for over 50 years... we were only 2 years old when we met :)
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Other precautions I was told: use disposable booties.. cover your shoes with these, do not track them into homes...booties to be safe, of course, disposable gloves, some places are being picked over.. Please remember, you touch an object, do not touch your face.. gloves seem to hold bacteria too.. so avoid touching your face while wearing the gloves...
Baby wipes? Do they have anti bacterial chemicals? I don't know.. All I know, when I had a baby, I used those while changing the diapers... I think the answer is yes..
Masks, breathe in and out... something may get through the fibers of a mask.. So don't wear the same one too long.
Avoid public restrooms? Think So,,, and don't try to take the toilet paper from out houses or those restrooms... just avoid if possible.
HOw about a little bottle of rubbing alcohol or maybe perfume? Some perfumes may have enough alcohol to disinfect? Not sure... look online.. Bath n Body Works may have a solution.
Another friend went to 99 cent store and stocked up on veggies and meat, and canned veggies.. They do have good produce.. just need to use it quickly.
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Shoes are a very good point. We have started keeping them out of the door a couple of weeks ago and later I read an article that said that they actually found the virus on a doctor's shoe. It's scary because we don't know exactly how it is transmitted yet, but the feeling that we are having here is that we have to be careful about literally EVERYTHING.
Thank you for all the tips, very useful.
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Some idiot in Vancouver where I live was bulk buying disinfectant wipes etc., and selling them on Ebay for get this....$80.00! He was on the news yesterday justifying it by saying "the government takes and takes from us, why shouldn't I do this" Apparently he got shut down today, so guess he's stuck with his hoard. Serves him right.
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MAYDAY Mar 2020
AMAZING....

The hollywood doo doo guy I think was a joke.. but clearly some people are off the radar. glad he was shut down.. Yup people are talking about toilet paper going on the black market..
If that's the case... they can smell me a mile away.. Not falling for that cr p.
butt then again, I have access to a washer n dryer. and detergent and bleach.
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I posted on another issue.. My 19 year old went to doctor Thursday. The doctor came in with a mask on. Told my kid to remove the mask to say what the issue was.. ONE PERSON IN THAT ROOM HAD TO HAVE A MASK ON.. MANDATORY...

It seemed off, but realizing what EVERYONE IS dealing with.. Everyone needs to be prepared for their needs. My stores are walking distance... and oddly and strangely.. shelves are empty.. Seriously.. no toilet paper, to the point someone on a Hollywood street.. (in the news posted) was dressed in commplete costume, brown of course.. holding up a stack of toilet paper.. $100 per role..." Joke.... but not a joke... All the stores near me.. are out of toilet paper and bottled water.. Doesn't anyone have a STOVE TO BOIL WATER AND STORE IT IN SOME KIND OF CONTAINER OR POT? HOw about baby wipes and the trash can to dispose of baby wipes? Sanitizers.. how about soap to wash hands? Toothpaste? How about baking soda. I can go on.. too tired to think about what I need. Even the shelves last night were completely empty of rice...
I was also told that our L.A. Ports are supposed to shut down...
I was told that back in the Obama presidency... Bird Flu virus struck up.... and a lot of people got sick and died,,,,, far more than what is happening today...without "pandemic" situations out of world control, that produce, meat, etc.. are gone off the shelves of our daily grocery stores... I found one bottle of Tylenol for my aunt...That's all she needs for 30 days...
When I went to a speciality shop for her geriatric staples... They told me I better get a case... the ports may shut down, and we may not get this any more...
SO, IF YOU NEED ADULT DIAPERS, WIPES, DISPOSABLE BED PADS.. do get a case... NO, do not double on it,,, that will cause more issues... some call - hoarding..waiting for the next disaster... but then again... perhaps that may be a smart move or panic move... Don't know... too tired to think about all the scenarios...

I was asked if I was okay.. My family is okay... Yes, It will get worse before it gets better.... The last part of that sentence: IT WILL GET BETTER. IF ONLY WE USE COMMON SENSE AND NOT BE HOARDERS AND PANIC STRICKEN.
Use local farms.. farmers markets.. get fresh what you can, support your local farms, fresh produce, dairies, etc... We have a place nearby we can and trade our home grown produce with others who may have other produce, I haven't been yet, but plan to. That will be fun.
So, please breathe.. use common sense... stay 6 feet away.. do the FLOPPY FEATHER HAND WAVE instead of shaking hands, or doing the elbow touch since everyone sneezes into the crux of their elbows...
FEATHERS ARE LIGHT, AND THIS FLOPPY FEATHER HAND WAVE makes things a little lighter and fun with a little laughter when you try it. :) Completely harmless when you should be a distance of 6 feet away in case someone sneezes.... So, TO YOU: HAPPY FLOPPY FEATHER HAND WAVE :)
from a safe distance of 6 feet. How tall are you?
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Singingway Mar 2020
A squirt bottle of water serves as a cleansing bidet in case of lack of toilet paper. You may get to like it even better!
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Bless you and your mom, your family and city. Thank you for caring enough to tell us what would help us. You are selfless and caring. I pray you will come out of this healthy and am grateful you have what you need. Thank you again, I will forward this to others, my family and friends. With love.
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Thank you so much, your words mean a lot. It genuinely makes me so happy if just one of our experiences can help you, somehow. With many blessings.
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This is not the time to turn this forum into a political debate.

So please stop making political comments that do no one any good.

Some like President Trump others don't - WHO CARES! He can't run the entire government solo, if he could why are we paying others? It takes many departments and department heads to make things happen, not everything is the President's fault.
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MargaretMcKen Mar 2020
It’s clearly not helpful to blame anyone, politicians or not, for a past problem that can’t be fixed by blaming. But it does raise some questions. Here, the local Greek Orthodox Church minister has said that they will continue to provide mass in the usual way, because ‘disease cannot live in the sacramental cup’. ‘Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition’?
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This is excellent. Thanking you for it. And yes, reusing most masks puts you in MORE danger. Remember, it is difficult to breath in these and you breath in forcefully, and when you breath OUT you breath moisture through the mask. Next breath in you are encouraging bacteria filtered to get stuck in the mask making it the dangerous portion, something where the virus can live for at LEAST 72 hours. Putting on and taking off you are continuing the contamination, and exposing yourself more. Better to social distance as much as you can. Wishing you so much luck.You sure are in the thick of it.
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Arwen31 Mar 2020
Thank you so much! This is very, very useful to know!
I finally had our food delivered tonight and I didn't know what to do, meaning, am I supposed to wear a mask for respect to the delivery guy, to protect myself, or not? I eventually used it again. From tomorrow I'll do what you are saying, thank you again SO much, I think this can be very useful to many people right now.
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@Geaton777 @needtowashhair @Abby2018

You all have good points, and I do share many things you say.
We have had, and still have, somewhere in us, the same question marks.

Democracies are difficult to rule. And this thing is going super-fast. But even if Italy is one single state, my region - Lombardy - has begged the central government for even more restrictive measures. We still don't understand how a whole country can be in a lockdown, why we've been asked to stay at home, and there are still thousands of people escaping by train, for example, and most likely spreading the virus to all the other regions. Why they didn't stop the trains, or locked the motorways except than for trucks? And why they didn't test more people, even with mild symptoms, like they did in other regions such as Veneto? We don't understand this, in Milan. But we have to fight and find the strength anyway. We are honestly so focused on surviving right now that we can't afford many other thoughts.

Today has been a very difficult day. People requiring intensive care and respirators jumped from an average of 40/45 to 85. In one day, and just in Lombardy. There are 14 places left, and they have already created 400 new places in 3 weeks, just here. I'm not sure I'll be able to read the news tomorrow night, I'm honestly very scared. Every time I hear an ambulance I feel a knot in my stomach. Where will they put people, what will they do? It's just impossible to think about it.

I'm sorry, I really wanted to post something positive but I can't find it in me right now. I'll try again tomorrow. Thank you for being here with me tonight.
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needtowashhair Mar 2020
I appreciate all your posts. Positive or not, they are helpful. It gives people an idea of what to expect.

In the US they are showing footage of makeshift hospitals in Italy. Cots in warehouses. They had to do the same in China. We should expect that they will have to do the same here in the US. Our hospitals are already full of people with the flu. Even a small number of patients with corona will overwhelm them.
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