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Ohiodaughter, I understand your pain and frustration. You summarized it perfectly - dementia is the gift that keeps on and on giving. My mother also has dementia, but has been unhappy, depressed, miserable for the past 20 years. She is in great health, but her only focus is how bad she feels, her bowels and that's about it. I can't help wondering if she will live to be 105 and still be healthy in body and have no mind left except enough will to struggle against everything we try to do for her. We don't wish for her death, but, I pray to God that when the time comes she just goes to sleep peacefully. I can't imagine the h*** my sister and I will have to bear if she actually becomes ill or physically incapacitated. She absolutely refuses to accept the fact she needs help now and does everything she is told not to do. (Not that this is anything new, as she has always been that way, but now worse) You can't reason with dementia patients.
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It is very hard for you Mollie. Can you send her notes and cards maybe poems she can read herself or have someone read to her. Many people become unhappy in their later years as physical and mental ailments make their worlds smaller. You are a good friend to be so caring. i hope your friend soon finds peace. Blessings to you both
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To Veronica, my friend is not dying, physically she is very healthy but thanks for the suggestions. I don't drive so I don't see her very often, talking on the phone is impossible, she will just say"I can't hear you."
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Well, I've been following the replies to this question from its beginning. This week my mom went into the hospital and returned home with more medications to manage and additional doctors for me to make appointments for and drive her to see. For a couple days I dared to dream that her time had come at long last. But my life in caregiver purgatory continues with no end in sight. At the same time she was in hospital, my best friend's father finally died after lingering for years under his family's in-home care. My friend admitted her elation and I confessed my envy. I cried with self pity all the way home. I spent one last evening enjoying my home in uninterrupted solitude before bringing mom home the next day. The brief possibility of the end of 9 years of care giving was just a cruel joke.
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I've been wishing it all week.. LOL
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It is very difficult to decide on that. At this late stage if may confuse her and make her anxious about caring for an infant ask the nurses if they think this would be helpful. Another idea is a very soft stuffed animal she can cuddle or a small light weight lap robe or shawl that she can feel or have round her shoulders. She may be confusing you with a grand daughter who she remembers giving birth. When she raises it just agree with her then change the subject and talk of everyday things or read to her. The news paper or favorite books, poetry if that is an interest. Play favorite music quietly. Let her talk about everything she wants to if she can. If she seems to be in pain ask her caregivers for help. Think of the way you would want to be treated if you were the one dying and try to follow those instincts. You are a wonderful friend. Be Blessed
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Do you think it would help if I got her a baby doll?
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Mollie your feelings and love for your friend are very natural. When someone has dementia they often make unlikely assumptions but the kindest thing is not to argue or try to correct. She will get much comfort from your presence even if she seems not to recognize you, on some level she will realize that you mean a great deal to her. Of course you wish she could be released from her suffering and she will be when it is her time. If you are a believer prayers for her to go home to the Lord will help you cope.Waiting for a loved one to pass is more difficult than the grief that must follow Blessings.
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I have a dear friend who has dementia, although I am an elderly woman, she thinks I just had a baby. I know she is not happy, if I had my way she would die tonight.
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Don't feel guilty. It's only natural to feel this way.
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Oh here is your update Emjo, I knew I must have missed it before! I am so not surprised she figured out it is in the juice - she is a sharp cookie indeed. I wonder if they could instead crush it up blended into a pudding? Or just tell her there's a new pill to take for some other condition she has?
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cm - we saw some effect pretty quickly last time - did not do away with the paranoia but she was calmer and less bothered by it

totally agree Veronica

I already asked the social worker if they have observed that she is drinking the juice. She said she didn't know and I should bring it up when I see them Tuesday. This is not rocket science. Mother is sharp.

Just called and talked to the nurse on the unit and she says mother is not drinking her juice, so that is the answer. The nurse said she is paranoid from time to time, and the main thing is she does not want to go back to her apartment.

My question is why does she not want to go back? My answer is because she is paranoid about it. She is not paranoid from time to time - it is ongoing.

I already mentioned the possibility that mother was not drinking her juice to the social worker who called earlier this morning and who says mother is quite paranoid. I agree. The social worker says to bring it up at the meeting so I will. I received a form in the mail, dated a week after admission, which states that mother is deluded and exhibits cognitive impairments which are affecting her ability to understand the benefit and consequences of psychiatric treatment. The social worker says they likely will not do psychological testing until the antipsychotic has taken affect as the paranoia affects her cognition. It seems we are on a merry go round here.

As long as they don't release her without treatment they can keep her as long as they want to. I notice she is only a "formal patient" (certified) till March 6th. I will ask about that too, as, at this rate, she won't be ready for testing for a while till they figure out how to get the drug into her. I know they can extend her stay. It takes the signatures of two doctors - the ones who have been caring for her. Oh well. The gears move slowly and they have other patients to deal with.
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Emjo I would want to be sure she is drinking all that juice. Do they have time to stand over her while she drinks the whole glass. Your Mum is still very agile and can easily get to a sink. She is also smart enough and paranoid enough to know that she would not be locked up without being given medications. After all she has been through this before.
Really sorry to add to your worries but after two weeks I think there should be some improvement. I have never been the guest of a psychiatric institution but i doubt dispensing drugs is very different from a regular hospital. Your Mum would recognise a drug cart when she sees ot hears one,they rattle. ideally one would add the meds to a small amount of juice have the patient swallow that then provide another glass of juice for the pt to drink at their leisure. Won't work with Mum she is too sharp. but does she fool the medication nurse. She can still put on a good front can't she? it is possible that a medication nurse is not part of the regular team on Mum's floor therefor does not know her. She/he may dispense medications on several floors as their primary job. They check the room # the patient's wrist band and ask their name and DOB and then give out whatever is in the patients compartment on the drug cart following the instructions as to how it needs to be given. In Mum's case juice, other people apple sauce ,pudding etc, it can't for instance just be put on the breakfast tray for an Aide to deliver. Again i am sorry Emjo but i think you should raise this possibility with the Dr. CM is right thes meds do take a while to be effective but 2 weeks is usually enough. Again ask the Dr how long it usually take for them to begin to see effects. Hugs you need them
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They take a while, don't they, Emjo, or so I'm told? Hope you're getting a breather in the meantime x
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I am facing a change in mother who is nearly 102 and very healthy physically. She has had paranoia for a while and it has become steadily worse the past 6-9 months to the point where her life is unmanageable. Without effective meds she will not be able to stay in her ALF and she won't take the meds... They have been so good but there comes a point... She is now in a geriatric psychiatric hospital, she is certified and they are concealing meds in her juice - so far without effect. When she is released she will be under a Community Treatment Order so they can administer the meds whether she likes it or not. - like an Assisted Outpatient Treatment in the US. They are looking for suitable placements pending the results of testing for function and psychological issues The last few months have been horrendous with daily phone calls and accusations. I cant go through that again, I am 76 and the stress is affecting my health.
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We love our mom, but the truth is, a person can live too long, but it depends on the person and the quality of their lives. Mom is almost 100 and physically very healthy. We do almost everything for her to maintain her finances, apt, shopping, etc. She does nothing to help herself, including bathe, which she won't. She has always been restless and dissatisfied and complaining has always been her only hobby. She has enough money to live in a nice place, have entertainment, good food, friends, etc but she has no interest in anything (and never did) She is just plain boring, always has been. Meds don't help and she won't help herself. Now she has dementia and the person she was is totally gone. Yes, we hope that this will not drag out for years and that when the end comes, she goes in her sleep. I can't imagine her behavior and frantic panic if some day she becomes bedridden or physically helpless.
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I too, see the similarity between so many moms whose kids have posted here. I will be the first to say that I would not judge anyone for how they choose to facilitate their parent's care. I just wanted to share a lighter tidbit that happened to me during my mother's declining years. She too was quite narcissitic and negative, often becoming violent in her dementia including biting and kicking caregivers and saying some very mean things. For a very long time, she could hold it together and be nice in public and we at home received the brunt of the negativity so those outside the family continued to say how sweet she was. (We tried both having her live in a facility and live at home. Ultimately she died at home). She said some very mean things to me and one day I decided I had had enough and when she said something, I turned to her and said "Mom, what you just said really hurt me". She was able to hear that and actually turn things around and say she was sorry for having done that. That was a very special moment that I remember to this day in the midst of all the not so pleasant memories. Just suggesting something you might try to put a bright spot in the day. May not work for you but may be worth a try.
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Ocd, that's a sad story - and if you were to take your own life then what happens to mom? The state takes over. There should be a way to make that happen before you are at the brink of suicide. Geropsychiatric evaluation placement might be a start. Maybe there is a day program she'd fit in at. You need a break, before you break and can't be fixed! Check again with your area agency on aging or DHS and tell them what you've told us. If she is miserable with you then giving up your life and your children's well-being for her isn't a good bargain in any way shape or form, and there has got to be some alternative. Maybe she would be happier and more tolerable with some medication for depression or anxiety too. I hope there is help to be found, and soon!
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I think Miasmom is right on. It is the hardest thing anyone can go through at a time you should be enjoying life, what should be the best time of life.I think it must be so much worse for a child who had a rough childhood because of their parents and then have to go through this with them. It is a living hell when you love them as I do my husband; I can't imagine what it is like for you.
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I am new to this site i thought i was losing my mind and my cousin was worried and sent me a link, it is such a relief that so many others feel the same way i do.I thought for sure i was a evil person to wish my mother would pass away. I have even tried to end my own life so i would stop wishing for hers to end. my mother is a stroke patient who is left with Aphasia also other health problems who was very cruel to me growing up two years ago i had no choice but to take her in because no nursing home would take her with her mental illness. she is totally dependant on me. her daily routine is wake up watch t.v color her coloring book eat 3 meals aday when she isnt doing that she is on the potty for hours at a time because of her medicine i am trapped with her she is like a child cries and whines constantly i have a 16 year old who i cant enjoy my last years of his teenage years because of her. so help me i pray the same prayer every night and every morning she is still here and I see no end to this nightmare
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thoughts are not right or wrong, nor bad or good. They are. You are okay for having them.
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cm - I think a little bit of us is dying regularly, or of me anyway and some days a bigger bit. It all adds up. Some one else on this site said they have lost themselves, they didn't know who they were any more. Apart from love - or resentment - it seems we are being changed at the core in a way that is beyond our control. By all means find the positive, whenever possible, but for me that does not scratch the surface of what is happening deep down. So many say that life is being sucked out of them. I feel it too.
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Now come along. Everything you're saying is true, and I agree. But we're not the ones who are dying. So let's not start practising before our time.

I don't mean we're not entitled to feel like zombies. Days like these, when emptying commodes and setting out clean clothes are the highlights, are not what you'd call a boost to joie de vivre. And DTC, I know what you mean about 'depressed' just not covering it. There's a sort of suppressed scream of 'holy God how much more?' going on in the background. And in a way what makes it worse is that there is NOTHING to stop us saying 'ok, that's enough, bye now' and walking. Not the law. Not physics or geography. Only our own free will (and Jiminy Bloody Cricket).

I think what helps me, don't know how many others it applies to, is remembering that the frustration part, at least, feels similar to when my children were small. Especially when they were ill. Especially when they were all ill at the same time. It felt as if it would NEVER END - and now, of course, I wish it hadn't. And I wish I'd realised while it was happening that one year is only one year - you never get to do it again.

Of course it isn't the same. We're not progressing, we're diminishing - this is the soft landing we're aiming for, not the triumphant (yes, er, well) take-off. And all we have to look forward to is loss, not a cheering thought in itself. It's getting harder instead of easier, too. The feedback gets less and less. Meanwhile our outside world is forgetting us, or - worse - getting actively impatient with how long it's all taking.

Oh dear Lord, I'm depressing myself, now.

But, it will end. We know it will, even if we don't know when. Oh great I am as I type getting a heart flutter - and there I was thinking that after this caregiving life ends there'll be another chapter: ok, not necessarily for us, then! The point, though, is that while it's going on what's happening to us in not all the world, not even all of our own world. We can stretch, we can breathe, we can listen to music, we can write (we can come and write here, for a start). We can wait. We can choose to do each task that we're obliged to do anyway well, or not well. With care, or without. With love, or with resentment. There is satisfaction to be found if we look for it.

I am, I promise, not one for platitudes and positive thinking. They can only take you so far before you are forced to acknowledge that you are being ridiculous pretending there is any fun to be found in a given situation. But if the alternative is escalating rage and misery from boredom, exhaustion, frustration and isolation…? All I mean is, when you do stumble over a choice in daily life, choose the option that feels better.

I am going to go and make her some tea and toast. One slice with honey and one slice with peanut butter is a pain, because of the crumbs and the two knives and the stickiness… but that's what she likes. She'll be happy. She'd be happy with honey too… but she likes to have both. Dearest Mama, here I come. xxx
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It's weird how our caregiver lives are so parallel inso many ways. My Mom signed everything to my brother. I could not even put a monetary number on changing a poopy diaper before I even had coffee at 5:30 this morning...lol
As far as friends, Facebook is my only connection.
Personally, I'm glad the winter is so bad because I don't want to go out. I dread the thought she 'll still be here in the Spring when I'll want to be out gardening and such. That may sound selfish but we're going into 5yrs. of her slowly sucking the life out of me.
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my mother signed everything over to my sister years ago.
so i guess i am just doing this because...
well, it isn't money or property.

deep down i feel like by the time she is gone i will have really lost whatever it was my life was before.

i also don't really have any idea how i will react to the loss.
i don't think there are many of us who get our own counseling, and even fewer who have any interesting friends left. but maybe that is just me.

this harsh winter is sorta getting on top of me, maybe spring will bring some kind of relief.
depressed? i am not even sure if that word describes it anymore.
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I'm curious as to an update on BelleFluir, the original poster.
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I'm so lucky that I've found this site.I'm referring all of my friends who are caregivers. I am dealing with i got my wish why don't you die? !! Shed say go to hell was burned out. Completely. But i couldn't put her in a NH because I would've lost the house. Well. NowI'm tormented and wish it'd ddie. Little good it did me to want the house. In unable to pay the utilities. My body is used up from lifting her off the floor and potty chair so many times a day as as 20. I'm 115 #.I have a liver disease. She lived the years longer by my staying home with her. She would've starved in a NH
But which is worse. Her pushing me to the brink and screaming at her or her being treated like crap in a home.I love you momma. I walk the floor crying I love you momma I'm sorry momma. Yes I do believe that I've lost my mind
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When your existence here is through, simply leave your physical body behind because you don't need it anymore. Just "step out" and allow your inner being to return to the non-physical from whence you came.
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im prayin steigman, im prayin. are you still here? damn, ill keep prayin. we beseach you father, blow her heart like a mount saint helons eruption. -- swiftly
and she wants angels. ill pay for the angels its a charitable deduction for me. lets get this s**t done, amen..
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Hope for me, pray for me to go swiftly, for I do not want to linger in a purgatory of failing eyesight and contracted limbs, the isolation of hearing little, and saying even less. Give me to God, call down the angels, summon those who went before me to retrieve my spirit and lay my ailing body to rest in the warm soft earth that comforted me here.
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