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Going thru this nightmare with 96 yr old father and on his second pacemaker , he is impossible .. Were all old and sick but he has this 21 year old heartbeat . We can barely keep up to him . He now needs 24 hr DAY CARE AND were already exhausted .. HE is in retirement center and we make a lot of trips there for things like finding shoes ad etc . It becoming hard at 10 yrs plus now since his wife left .. Too many fights she said . YES SOMETIMES WE PRAY FOR HIM TO GO TO HEAVEN .. lol sad but they will put another pacemacker in soon ,, making him the living dead ... not funny but happening to a lot of kids and aging parents with attitude problems .The center will not let him stay much longer ,, needing more attention now .
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What a difficult path you have to walk! No, it is natural and expected for you to yearn for peace for them and for yourself. I saw my mother and father and husband through their cancers (husband and father), dementia and stroke (mother). Even with help ,it was a draining job, both physically and emotionally. There were times I yearned for a final peace for them and for me. Felt guilty at the time and did not admit to myself that this was natural and not a character defect on my part. I did the best I could for them and have the reward now of knowing that is what I did. The support of my Parish Priest and hospice helped a lot with the guilt and I realized when they died one by one , that my feelings of relief along with the grief did not negate nor condemn my feelings. I did my very best for them, and as long as you do that, you have nothing to feel guilty about. You are entitled to your feelings and neither guilty nor unfeeling to react to the strain of doing what you are doing in their best interest.
I highly recommend Hospice to help with the medical evaluation, advice and to give you much--needed support. I admire and am very grateful for their wisdom and support. Their visiting nurses took care of the day-to-day physical evaluations and they had quick access to the medical staff when needed. I did not have to struggle with trying to evaluate current medical needs and trying to get access to doctors, prescriptions, etc. The Hospice staff had immediate access to physicians and arrived with any medications prescribed. They were there (literally) when my father died six weeks after my mother did. They knew I was grieving, dealing with my siblings and with all the details involved with being the person with the legal standing, and having a sense of relief at the same time and helped me deal with it all.

I know you will handle what needs to be done and look back with comfort that you did what was needed with love and devotion, and that your emotions (whatever they were and are ) are justified, normal and not to be regretted.

I don't know the current situation with Medicare payment for Hospice services, but whatever it costs, get it.
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You need to place her in a nursing home. Your contempt for your mother, not saying you can't justify it, will not get better. All that negativity will only bring hardship for you in your emotional life and cause you to blame her for a speeding ticket because she was on your mind. God Bless.
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I hope things will change for you so you will have more time and energy to spend on your son.
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Thanks Golden and JessieBelle for your responses. I guess we keep on trucking like the old song or saying said. Hope you both are having a good day
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Erin, you're saying something I've been wondering. My mother is almost 91 now, but her mind has been gone since she was around 80. She has been able to do rote tasks, but she hasn't been able to do things that require reasoning. It's like a huge part of her died but left the mechanical part behind. Each day she does the same things, though she is slowly losing her ability to do these things, as well.

My mother has several things that would have been lethal to people 100 years ago. She has very high blood pressure, insulin-dependent diabetes, and severe spinal stenosis with arthritis along the length of her spine. She walks bent almost in two, even with her walker. The diseases and pain are helped by daily medication. But sometimes I wonder if we're just keeping the body going when no one is at home anymore.

Another thing with my mother is she clings desperately to life even though she is in misery. I don't understand the will to keep going when life becomes so difficult. She monitors her vitals and wants to go to the doctor immediately if something is off. That tendency is getting less now, so I'm wondering if she finally letting go. I wish that it didn't have to be this hard. I wish we could go back to the day when serious stroke or heart attack would take someone and not leave a remnant of the person who used to occupy the body.
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stacey (((((((hugs))))) what can you do when QOL is so poor? My heart goes out to all of you. You are doing the hardest job ever.

erin - anticipatory grieving which is normal. It helps us prepare for what is to come. It is so hard watching them reduced to a shell of their former selves.
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Not on topic. Sorry. My mother looks like death warmed over. 94 pounds. Has been for 2 years. Dementia. Used to work a year ago. Now sits here. My thoughts are I am withdrawing emotionally because instinctively I am sensing a loss. Declining in many not all ways. The person I knew is dead already. She is a fraction of the beautiful smart lady she was. I think her dementia is causing my primal need ( not sure of correct word) but my acceptance of the inevitable. I love her but I don't. Love what caring for her has done to me Not the same. I'll make sure her life is as good as it can be. Maybe it's my self protective subconscious that's protecting me.
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Stacy, please be gentle on yourself....what you and so many others are going through as caregivers and as loved ones (living with death that comes by inches) is, I think, the hardest thing you'll ever have to do! Blessings to you and your family, Lindaz.
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We have My FIL back in our home and on Hospice Care, and every single time I walk into his room I wonder whether I will find him dead. It's not like I'm wanting that to happen (am I ?), but I can't stop thinking how hard this is on us, and on him, as we are taking care of his every need, besides breathing and sleeping. It must be terribly difficult for him to lay there day in and out, wondering when death will take him, and so very difficult for him to think that he is somehow holding us up from living our lives, though somehow I don't think he really care how hard this is on us, as he is quite the Narcissist.

I creep quietly to his doorway, so as not to wake him up, and when I find him sleeping, I look to his chest to see if it is still rising and falling. It's a creepy feeling knowing that one day we will find he has passed away. I thought it had happened one time, as his teeth were askew in his mouth and he is so terribly pale, but then he stirred and that was that, he's still in the land of the living.

Last night before sleeping, we gave him Guiafinasin to help with the thick secretions, and he has nightmares in the night, it was awful, so another restless night for all of us, and we now know not to do that again, or at least we think that was the cause of it! We may try daytime dosing.

I do know that as the time goes on, and his body shuts down, that he could get visual and auditory hallucinations, and if they are anything like last night, I hope that never happens again!

Waiting for death is such a strange place to be in. It never crossed my mind that we would ever be doing this.

He lived with us for many years before placing him in AL, which only lasted 9 weeks total before he became very ill, hospitalized and the Advanced Lung Cancer was found, now back with us on Hospice Care.

I always thought that his death would be a more natural thing, and that we would just find him gone one morning, but I never dwelled on it. Now I'm dwelling on it all the time, knowing that it is imminent, or more probable within weeks. It's a very weird place to be.

So Yes, I am hoping for it, to put us all out of misery. And I feel like crap about it!
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Amen Lindaz. Couldn't agree more
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Such guilt we place upon ourselves! I agree with cwillie and the rest who are all so very tired of the constant demands that being good caregivers require of us....I helped my dad ( now 88) take care of my mom who died 2 years ago from Alz. and my main reaction to her death was one of relief! Not only for myself, but for both my mom and dad. She was 92 when she died and she had been so very sick for such a long time and as caregivers my dad and I were simply exhausted, especially my dad. Being a good caregiver basically means you have NO life of your own...very few have anybody else in the family who is willing to give the primary caregiver (PC) the help he/she needs....although it seems that non-caregivers sure do tell you what MORE you should be doing or that you're doing it WRONG....I'm just going to say it bluntly, as someone who has 'walked the walk'.....IT IS NOT WRONG TO HOPE FOR SOMEONE TO DIE....The wonderful people (on this site) who take on the responsibility of caring for someone are coming to this from a position of LOVE, because only from this position of love could we all do this day after day, year after year and at great physical, mental and emotional cost to ourselves and WITHOUT thanks or help. To all of you who are still actively caregiving...Bless you! Lindaz
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Patticake, I think a lot of it is the desire to relieve ourselves of the never ending burden of caregiving. I've got to say I feel much more kindly disposed toward my mom since she is in a NH, when she was still at home her death would have been the key to my freedom, a terrible double edged sword.
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Hi everyone. This question keeps going around my head. I read somewhere on this site that just because we have a thought go through our head it isn't bad. I mean every morning I wonder is this the day or when I come home from leaving mom will I find her dead? I think it is called anticipatory grief? It isn't I want her dead... it's just I wonder how I will react?
I feel bad each time I clean her room I mentally rearrange the furniture for when she is gone. Now how awful is that???!!! I mean for crying out loud. What kind of daughter does that?
Mom has taken over my dining room because she can't do the stairs. I have a breakfast area but I miss my dining room. Just saying that sounds awful! I mean when mom took care of her mom they put on an addition with my uncles money. She also had two other sisters to help. It's just me with my husband and daughter. Well, there I said it all. Thanks for listening. I've erased this several times but I'm not going to this time.
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I don't blame you for feeling the way you do. Being around someone so negative will make you negative too.
There are stages of COPD. Is she in the last stages yet? Is she on constant oxygen? Death may come faster than you think.
Maybe the hospital will suggest you put your mom in an aging care facility.
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Kind of random response. Haven't seen this question for a while. But I remember being a teenager, maybe a little older , when my dad told me about the day his dad died. I didn't know him because I was 2 when he died. Anyway, my dad said he was at the hospital when his dad was dying and he said "mo ( my nick name from him). Notre Dame was on and it took so long for him to die. I wanted to watch the end of the game". I know that sounds so callous and mean. My dad was under 3O when his dad died. No dementia but severe alcoholism. My dad was a very kind, social, intelligent guy. That did sound terrible saying that about his dad, but he was also only human and had endured a life of disappointments and turmoil because of his dads alcoholism, and I guess he was just being honest with me
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I so understand! Oh, do I so understand! I swear, the narcissism is so thick! God forbid my husband and I ever get to live just a few of the years that my mil was lucky enough to live- before she suffocated me and my husband.
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Thank you very much cwillie. Something for me to think about. I'm just getting resentful and unhappy because I'm putting her first . That's my choice and something I need to rethink. Thanks again for posting
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Erin, my mom is well beyond the point where she can voice an opinion, but even when she was more with it she was never they kind of woman who fought against the current. Several years ago I thought I had no choice but to place her in an NH and her response were a few tears and "whatever you think is best". As close as my mom and I were back then I would have never completely given up my own life on her say so, once I entered my caregiving years I made the choices that seemed sensible for both of us.
The IL/AL you have found sounds lovely, and you say it is affordable too! Change is always scary, but I know that is exactly what I have planned for my own future. My opinion is that most people wait too long to make the change, it is so much better to make the transition when you are young enough and well enough to participate in the process and still independent enough continue to participate in what you enjoy from your former life.
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Cwilllie if you don't mind would you explain how you got your mother to accept the move to a nursing home? Mine is quite content to sit here watching tv all day. Sleeps with her door opened,and tv on all night. She has zero desire to do anything else . I think an independent living situation would be much better for her and for me. The place I've looked into allows small pets. There is 24 security. The average residents age is 84. She'd be a youngster at 79. Most people there do have memory loss, but still function independently. The place offers so much. Weekly trips to casinos, art exhibits , etc. it's beautiful and affordable. There is also an assisted living part of this place for when the resident would need that. I just know she would hate it because she has been with me for 20 years. I'm kind of living in purgatory. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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That is true. I've been thinking less of myself that I really can't figure out what to do. She has herself hoarded away in her house. Her family doesn't care about her -- kind of sad. She doesn't have any friends, since she pushes people away. The only thing she has in the world is a daughter who would rather be anywhere else. It is really a sad world that she built for herself. It is a bit like a fort. I don't know how people get this isolated. I see old people out and about all the time. The only place my mother will go is to church and out to eat. There is one thing to the strategy -- If she watches TV all day long, it lessens the chance that she'll fall. Plus it doesn't take a lot of energy, so her battery stays full longer. A sad effect is that the people on the TV become her family and friends. She told me the other day that the Waltons were like family now to her. I wonder if John Boy and the others would like to help take care of her. :-)

I left her alone today and went out to enjoy some time eating and visiting. Social contact always helps me to feel better. I was never meant to whither away in a fort.
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That doesn't sound like an exit plan, that sounds more like an "I'll know when the time is right I hope it doesn't come to that" plan. That's what my plan was.
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Yes, I have an exit plan. My hands are tied, though, as long as she can do most of her ADLs and is determined to die at home. I can either stay or leave. Hiring caregivers or maids won't work because this is HER house and she won't allow anyone in. So I'm left with the legal and moral question of leaving her alone in her house or toting the heavy load longer. If I knew it would be one year, I could do it. But what if it is 10? It would be easier if she weren't so emotionally abusive.
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JessieB, as much as I hate the idea of my mom in the NH and as horrible as it was to finally make that decision it has truly been remarkable how relieved I feel to have finally laid down that burden. I don't recommend waiting until your psyche is as fried as mine was before you are forced to act to save yourself, do you have an exit plan?
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Yesterday was a tough day. There were two separate people who told me how lucky I was to still have my mother. These people were being nice, so no harm was intended. But their words hurt. I wish people wouldn't say that because they don't know what the caregiving child goes through. I don't feel lucky at all.
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I relate to many many of you. I was walking to work today thinking about last night. My mother decided that the individual packets of dishwasher detergent were candy. Nice shiny wrapper, the promise of a sweet. She tried to open the wrapper with a spoon. Needless to say she couldn't. I watched in disbelief as she finally took a scissors to open it. I asked what she was doing and she didn't answer. I waited, thinking she was just opening it for ? reason ( dishwasher was empty).
When she got it open she took her finger and wiped the detergent and licked it off. At that point I grabbed it out of her hand. I told her it was detergent. Then without missing a beat she went into the cabinet , took out the marsala cooking wine struggled with the scissors to open the top, wouldn't let me take it away. She got it open and began swigging it from the bottle! My mother doesn't drink ! I tried to get the bottle away from her because she was going to become unsteady and fall. She wouldn't listen to reason. I just held the bottle and stopped her from putting it to her lips. My father came into the room and he took the bottle from her, looking completely puzzled. He has short term memory impairment and won't remember the incident.
That said, my feelings are overwhelming. The situation is haunting, harrowing and horrifying. Will I become like her???? Will my children have to go through this scenario with me
( Heavens no. I will tell them to put me away) .
I understand her Parkinson's and her aortic stenosis. But not this behavior ( unless this is Lewy Body dementia). I can care for any other person's parents easily, but not my own. I never understood how the personal component could affect me. I walk with visions of her behavior every day. It seeps into everything I do because it is so unbelievable and I never thought it would happen. I think we should all switch who we are caring for so I can care for your parent and you can care for mine! At least we can stand farther from the fear and horror of this being us in however many years. We could divorce ourselves from the personal nature of the person we are dealing with. It would be much less painful because we wouldn't have to remember better days ( for those of us who had them).
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Annie, perhaps it's because you were "quoting" and not the OP. I don't know what difference it makes - nothing was lost to "censorship".

I, personally, am more curious as to what your impressions are regarding the subsequent posts which point out that nobody can assume just because someone gave birth to you doesn't make them an all loving mother. Some parent-child "relationships" are devoid of an atmosphere where children can have a heart-to-heart with their parent.

Thus, I wouldn't assume that the original poster was self-centered any more than posts of others that set forth just how screwed up parent-child relationships can be through no fault of the child. As a smoker myself, I can sure as hell say that my bad choice is no one's fault but my own.

Generally critical/broad stroke conclusions are what I might expect from someone who has their own unresolved issues.

While my mother wasn't abusive...she was indifferent. And it's that indifference that instilled my own sense of indifference. My mom's quality of life was not mine to control. Her identity revolved around whichever man she was in a relationship with. Now that she's older, alone and in total failing health...There's nothing I CAN do to undo her life choices. No amount of insight, forgiveness or understanding, undoes "you reap what you sow". 

Fact is, my mom is miserable, adrift and disengaged...Nothing I can do will give her a new lease on life...Why would I hope she lives a longer life? Is that a nobler or rather a just outcome? Either way, I have no control over that either - but I can hope.
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Just curious. Is there any certain reason for the discrimination and censorship? I quoted the original poster in my last response (look for quote marks), but some words in the quotes were censored in my last post. However, the same words were not censored in the original posters post. Can you please tell me why my post was censored? I'm not going to continue to use this site if censorship of this nature is going to continue.
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Bless you, Golden23. Mine is 86 to my 60. I'm not sure I can do this until I'm 80. What choice do we have though? I hope you've got many more years of peace in your life.
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Hi Kristen - thx for asking. Yes, my mum is still alive. She will be 105 next month and I will be 80 in late summer. She is bedridden and cannot do much for herself, but her heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, bladder etc are fine and there has been nothing to indicate that she will not go on for some time yet, However, she is now medicated due to psychotic episodes and on an antidepressant as well so her mood is much better than it ever has been and finally, I have some peace. I don't visit her in her alf very often as it still brings up bad memories.
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