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I agree with topsailjanet. I wouldn’t be so convinced that she is now telling the truth rather than confabulating which is so common in dementia. I noticed how my husband says false things he believes are true. “We’ve been here before”-never. “I saw this movie before”- Impossible- brand new movie. Very easy to mix up others’ experiences as one’s own- or maybe issues. Take it easy and don’t believe everything she says.
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RetiredBuilder,
She thinks she’s unloading a confession which may or may not be true. And if it was, sounds like all this may have occurred decades ago.

What is there now to do but say you forgive her?
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RetiredBuilder Feb 2023
Peggy-Sue, my wife is lucid, talkative, able to carry on a conversation, watch tv, make phone calls, and is in good health, on a scale of 1 to 10, she scores 2 for dementia. She was taken to the care home because she has chronic arthritis and cannot walk or stand up without suffering pain in her legs, hips, feet, and knees.

Like most couples we once spoke about love affairs - she insisted she never had and never would. I now think her recent disclosure/s is because she was scoring points on me by claiming she had a few affairs and was not the old woman she now is. An old-school friend of my wife was a certain HG. who I always thought might lead her astray, Why did I think this? Because HG had several times offered me sex and told my wife how much she fancied me, it was an open-joke between my wife and I, who referred to HG, as "your girl friend just arrived", meaning HG had parked outside and was walking down our drive.
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I answered previously - suggesting you make her feel like the wife you courted and married - but that was before reading your replies to various posters, which suggest that you strongly believe that her stories are true.

You say that your wife may live another 7 years and you another 10. You say that you will keep her secrets and take them to your grave. My questions for you are why are you torturing yourself when your wife is no longer capable of pretending to be the dutiful housewife? Are you psychologically prepared for even more sexually-explicit confessions? Do you perhaps think that because you had an affair once in Russia you deserve the hurt you feel from hearing about your wife's sexual flings and fantasies?
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RetiredBuilder Feb 2023
Reply to NYdaughterinlaw. My wife is rational, friendly, and totally in love with me and myself with her. She had been in hospital for 6-weeks, in the care home for 3 weeks, and maybe her absence made her tongue bolder, She knows the Care Home is her last stop in life, and she knows I love her lots, so an admitted affair that occurred 40 years ago is not going to do any great damage. I wish she could walk into our home right now and put the kettle on and tell me where she's been, in the old days it was her mothers!
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RetiredBuilder
I have been following your thread a bit and wanted to offer a couple of thoughts.

Your wife is not an inanimate object you can just turn your feelings off for. It hurts deeply to hear these things regardless of whether or not they are true. They have the ring of truth to you. I am sorry for your pain. Time helps and slowly this information will settle into place.

If true, your wife managed to not disrupt your lives with what may have led to divorce and a broken home for your children. There is something to be said for that. I don’t pretend to understand what makes we humans tick, stray or destroy our own happiness. I do know that many families were ruined as a result of the free love, three martini lunches, open marriages and the idea that children are resilient that prevailed back in the day.

You seem on balance very happy with the life you have lived with your wife and I think already healing from the shock it must have been to hear these stories.
So, I’m inclined to believe it happened because you believe it happened.

BUT, keep your eyes open. Dementia is a wicked devious disease that can play terrible havoc with our lives. It doesn’t dress up as the vacant eyed, odorous, unkempt, soggy diapered creature that we so often imagine. That comes along often enough but not in the beginning.
In the beginning with my DH aunt, she would tell the most outrageous things that happened to someone else like HG as though they had happened to her. In addition, she was VERY interested in all things sexual. She could do all the things you mention your wife can do, all day long, plus she wasn’t physically handicapped. I would overhear her on the phone with her phone book in hand, calling one number after another telling her stories. It is shocking when this happens and yes, it can be very hurtful. They no longer can discern that this or that couldn’t have actually happened for whatever reason. And all the filters are gone that may have made such topics taboo.
Read about confabulation. Look up Teepa Snow on YouTube. Just remember that all bets are off on what YOUR brain is telling you is true because it is so very difficult to believe that someone we love and trust and still looks and reacts and responds like that person in so many ways is not always “home”. I can guarantee you that your wife believes her stories. They are real to her whether they actually happened or not.
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RetiredBuilder Feb 2023
(yrold mom) Thank you for your reply: Reading your post I drifted into thinking thank God I am not doing Jury Service alongside you. I imagined the Jurors would be sat around the Jury Room table for days discussing was he/her guilty, whether they were exaggerating, lying, or delusional. I think my wife did have an affair (she said she did) perhaps she had several or one-night stands, I assume it did not bother her because she knew I was out of town so she would never be found out. Bear in mind she was in her late twenties and mid-thirties. She informed me several times her friend HG used her name with her husband as an alibi provider and told him you can ask X my wife if you do not believe me.

I have now got to thinking this worked both ways and when she told me she had gone out for the evening with HG this may have been untrue. HG was her alibi provider. Proof: You see I never once went out with my wife and HG. We never made a threesome or two couples group. She made a slip of the tongue flippant remark which shook me. I really do love her. We have an until-death-occurs marriage.
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Hello Retired Builder,
After reading along, maybe this answer fits for you:

You said: ["HG had several times offered me sex and told my wife how much she fancied me, it was an open-joke between my wife and I, who referred to HG, as "your girlfriend just arrived". "]

If it was a joke back then, why is it not a joke now?
And in what way are you shocked?

You are right about one thing: Some things are best NOT MENTIONED.

Your revealing more secrets are best not mentioned, and are inconsistent with your being shocked.

Unfollowing.
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RetiredBuilder Feb 2023
The problem is SendHelp, readers of my initial post replied, all of them added their thoughts, and observations and I was duty bound to reply to them, even though this took me down roads I did not wish to explore. Subjects you refer to as best not mentioned.
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RB, you admit you’ve slept around in your marriage. And you believe that now she once did too decades ago and now you’re freshly angry.
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RetiredBuilder Feb 2023
Peggy Sue, I do not sleep around, I once met in 1977, a very attractive woman on a train in a foreign country, I was away from home, on holiday with my children, it was a one-night holiday romance with no future and no long-term commitments and ended the next day, it now appears my wife had a more adventurous period in her life with several men and totally unknown to me one long-lasting affair, it does reflect badly on her that she always insisted (and I believed her) that she had never had sex with another man or women, and was always faithful. Can you say the same, so let us have a confession from you?
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HG, was my wife's amorous friend, a nymphomaniac, she left her husband and 3- children and ran off with her boss, she left town and we never heard from her again. We often wonder if she is alive and where she might be living, my reference to my wife saying "here comes your girlfriend -walking towards the house, was because HG had an obvious to all passion for me, All quite natural and harmless. My wife still laughs over a revelation HG told her when she worked for a major supermarket chain, when the shop shut she had sex with the manager on the BUTCHERS BLOCK in the meat department, they placed pillows and presumably blankets on it and she told her hubby she was working late. She ran off with him when this shop closed and they were both made redundant.
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Isthisrealyreal Feb 2023
Amorous? Why not minimize your wife's behavior and go home happy?
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So, your wife's best friend was a slut that hit her back for a stiff wind and you are surprised that your wife behaved in similar fashion?

You are obviously old enough to know the saying, "BIrds of a feather flock together. " You, no doubt, knew this saying in your early years and yet here you are all surprised that your wife did the same behaviors.

Maybe, just maybe, while you were off working 13-14 hour days, traveling the world she felt neglected. Maybe you and your personal actions justified her behaviour, just like you justify breaking her trust in Russia.

This is beginning to feel like I have wandered under a bridge. Bye-bye now.
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Maybe you should write a manuscript and have a book published or a made for TV movie....(sarcasm intended)
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NeedHelpWithMom Feb 2023
Cat,

Or a soap opera! LOL 😆

The plot of every soap opera is the same!
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Retired Builder, please take some time and learn about dementia and what it does to one's memory.

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/how-to-handle-alzheimers-disease-lying-144204.htm

There is no need for you believe in "revealing secrets".... unless you like the attention it brings to YOU by telling others that the secrets are true.
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Regret for you that this last stage of life with your wife has most unwelcome information about possible infidelities. I think your instinct to say nothing is the best response. First of all, these stories may have a grain of truth in them, as opposed to reality. I think if you show little or no reaction, perhaps these unwelcome so-called confidences shares: might diminish. You also might also divert her attention by needing to get a glass of water for yourself or make a trip to the Gent's...Perhaps try to direct the conversation to 'good times' when she starts on one of these memory lane trips (that may or may not have happened), such as you found some photos of the wonderful trip to Pike's Peak you had in 1970, and ask her about her memories of that trip. Do the old switcheroo on topic change to some shared trip, experience, just anything like family memories you shared together, that get her off the unwelcome topics. Some dementia may have 'hyper-sexuality' elements accompanying it, so please know that you need to remember that all the confidential sharing might not be totally grounded in truth. Divert, get to another topic, usually one that involves happy times together. This truly may be hypersexual 'fantasizing' now, with the dementia getting worse. Don't just sit there and listen to hurtful things that truly may not have happened: Get to other topics and memories, and I am sorry that you are having to endure this.
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NH..great idea! Lol
They're kinda risqué compared to 30 years ago.
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