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Babs, in terms of taxes, remember that likely ALL of his nursing home bill is deductible as a medical expense.
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Babs75 Oct 2020
Yes, good reminder. His CPA told me to keep all those receipts for her.
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Babs, you really do face a dilemma.

I definitely would not make a decision on sale until you have financial advice either from an estate planning, real estate, or elder law attorney.    You might explore this scenario:

I believe his interest in the house vested in his name when he was added to the deed - however,   I'm not sure b/c it would depend on how the deed was titled.    So, assuming they owned the house jointly, she died and:  HOW was the deed "changed" to his name?   This could be a major factor on determining the date in which his interest in the house began to accrue.

I would have thought that his interest was stepped up to full ownership on his wife's death.    When he himself passes, his own interest is stepped up to the value of the house at that time, but this should be verified, especially given the fact that he held title with his wife jointly before she passed.

As to the basis calculation, I learned when my father died that now an appraisal is required by the IRS w/i a certain time to establish a basis on the date of his death.  I would raise that issue with the attorney.    I don't recall what the time period was for getting an appraisal.  (A trust accountant told me this.)

As for keeping the house and holding it until he passes to capture the step-up advantage, have you considered renting it?    It would draw income and you could use that to offset the costs, while still preserving the house.

If the house is held in trust though, the rental income would be taxed at a different rate from a house not held in trust.  

Another factor of keeping it empty is the cost of vacant house insurance.    It's a little over $2K annually for my father's house, but vacant house insurance is limited and does NOT cover for water  damage (at least the policy I have doesn't).   And there are only a few companies that insure vacant houses, per my insurance agent.

If you decide to keep it and not rent it out, I would seriously consider having the water shut off for the winter.  If the pipes burst and there's a flood, the damage would NOT be covered under a vacant house policy, and you'd be facing some serious financial expenses.
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I'm in a similar position. Mom is in memory care, and my brother and I live far out of state, so we stay at her house when we visit. If we sell the house, where would we stay? I try to think of the house as a shoebox full of $400,000 cash sitting on a pile of leaves--in that case, I would act right away! But the minute I walk in, all the memories are there, going back to the 1970s. The regular home insurance refused to renew because the house is unoccupied, so I found unoccupied home insurance through Farmer's. The post office refused to continue forwarding mail after several extensions of their allowed time, so this month when my brother and I were there, we hired someone to install a mail slot in the door and instructed the mail carrier to resume normal delivery--cost $500 for mail slot, but worth it because some things can't be forwarded, like renewed registration and license plate stickers for mom's car--which is now sitting in the driveway with a dead battery that is so uncommon that it must be ordered, can't just be purchased at an auto parts store. Sighhhh....just know you're not alone.
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Babs75 Oct 2020
lol ... about the car. My dad has 2 cars - both in his garage. One with a dead battery, one with a flat tire. He had one of them at assisted living where he was a year ago and finally when he moved to skilled nursing, I was able to park them both. He still talks about them. I may end up donating. They're old cars and the cost to make them driveable (battery, tires, brakes, etc) would be more than they are worth.
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What will the house go on the market for? Have you had it appraised? There are certain rules that apply to the sale of a home. From the legal website nolo.com comes the following:

You must own and occupy the home as your principal residence for at least two years before you sell it. To qualify for the home sale exclusion, you don’t have to be living in the house at the time you sell it. Your two years of ownership and use may occur anytime during the five years before the date of the sale. This means, for example, that you can move out of the house for up to three years and still qualify for the exclusion.

You say your dad left the house only a year ago and that there's no way he'll be going back. In that case, the sale would qualify for the $250K tax exemption. The remainder of the capital gain would be taxed as a long term gain at 0,15 or 20%. To me it's a no brainer. You'll keep the first 250K along with 80% of the remaining profit. If you keep that property longer than 3 yrs from the time he left, your give up the 250K exemption.
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Babs75 Oct 2020
I've reached out to his CPA and should hear from her tomorrow. The house was owned by his wife when he married her in 1985. At some point, he was added to the deed. She died in 2015 and the deed was changed to his name only. The way I'm reading the statute in the IRS website is that his basis started over when he was widowed and the new basis is what the home was worth on the day she died (not quite sure how we figure that out). But waiting for clarifcation.
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I agree with every word from Barb. I thought the taxes would not be a problem. And Dad isn't earning now, so whatever he has to pay in taxes will be his estate to pay.
My worry here is insurance. Are they keeping the insurance policy going knowing it is unoccupied. We were informed this would be a problem on my brother's place after a year. They very much dislike unoccupied.
I especially agree with cleaning it out, and I wouldn't talk with your Dad a whole lot about that. I don't think he could even retain it if you did? And it would be upsetting for him to hear given he still thinks he could return home.
Wishing you the best of luck.
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I don't understand the tax bill will be too high. Has Dad sold property before? If not, then isn't he allowed to sell property one time and the Capital gains aren't taxed?

Why not do this. Start cleaning out and sell what you can. Once you get that done, maybe things will have worsened with Dad and papers concerning a sale of the house he won't understand anyway. Insurance on an empty house is very high. You can get timers for lights to come on at a certain time and go off at a certain time. I unplugged all appliances to cut down in the electricity used. I put the heater at 55. This will keep pipes from freezing.
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Babs75 Oct 2020
I went over this weekend and turned the heat back on to 60 deg. I had left it off all summer. His house is old and I don't think it has much insulation because the furnace seems to run all the time. But I guess that's better than frozen pipes.
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I agree that renting is a possibility but only if you have the bandwidth for more management, and you will need to clear it out first. If not sure what you will do I would still start thinning out what's in the home, removing valuables, sentimental items, heirlooms, etc. from the property completely and then maybe have an estate sale company sell the rest. I'm assuming you live reasonably near your dad and his house so that this isn't a commuting burden.

My in-laws didn't have as much as what your dad probably has but it still took us a long time to sort through what they had. In the end we held a "name your price" garage sale so that nothing needed to be marked. We put up a sign letting people know the proceeds were going to pay the NH expenses of my MIL. People were very generous.

Get a lot of large, clear tubs so you can group logical things together that you remove. You don't have to decide right then and there if you're keeping things, you can remove them and go through them later (if you have a place off site to store it, or at your own home). I agree with Marcia that even after being notified of a sale he probably won't remember for long. The finality of this can be emotionally draining for family. I wish you peace in your heart.
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Babs75 Oct 2020
I like the idea about the bins. So much of what is there belonged to his wife (trinket-y type stuff). Her daughter doesn't want any of it. He still insists he wants to move home (not going to happen) and I have no intention of being a landlord. The house is old, needs a lot of work, and I suspect whoever buys it will tear it down. It sits on 1/3 acre in a prime location in a popular suburb near shopping, schools, etc. and has many large, old fir trees. The value is in the land. My gut feeling tells me someone will buy it, tear down the house, take the trees to the mill, and build a multiple dwelling on it.
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I would make sure it was well insured for now. Then, I would get someone in there to clear it out- sell what is valuable, donate what is usable, toss what has outlived its usefulness.

I would put it on the market. If the tax bill is too high and selling right now isn't a good idea, how about a rent to own situation? First time buyers are having a tough time competing in this very competitive realty market. You could find someone to take the carrying costs off your hands and treat the place as their own.

It depends on where your dad is on this journey. When we got rid of the car, we had a couple days of upset and then he forgot we did it. Maybe the guardian can send him all the paperwork at once so it isn't a constant stream of reminders?
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