Hi everyone,
My mom is 72. She has been having financial issues for many years. Lived with my family and I (husband and two boys) a while back in her 60s and it was very difficult. Then, she was able to move into an apartment for a while. Later, she lost her job (close to retirement anyway) and couldn’t afford anything on her own. We had bought a much larger home in the meantime. No MIL suite, however, There were very little options for us aside from her moving in with my husband and two kids again. (There was a 3-year wait list for low-income housing.) So, she’s here and pays us rent monthly (a good amount I must add, but way less than she’d pay in an apartment.) However, some things are off-putting and one of the things was she came into our home with the rule that she refused to cook. I’m a homeschooling mom and my husband works a corporate job. We are both extremely busy, while my mom, now retired (because of us providing a home for her), does nothing all day. We included her in our dinners and finally got her to cook or at least provide dinners one day a week, but this setup has always bothered me. I do believe there are some narcissistic tendencies there and this is part of it. Her reasoning is that she hates cooking and all these years of cooking and she’s done with it, that I have to cook for my family anyway, so …? I feel it’s selfish and terribly unfair. She said she’ll clean after dinner (as we all pitch in on that as well.) Does this sound like narcissism to you? Just seeking validation because any time I bring it up, she gets annoyed and can’t have a normal conversation. It’s like talking to a 2-year-old. I’m at the point of saying no more dinners with us. She’ll have to provide for herself.
She’s your mother, not your cook, or maid.
You moved your mother into ypur existing household. You did not hire a cook.
I do not like to cook, either.
What would your expectations be, if you were talking about your dad, rather than your mom?
The OP certainly seems to me like the narcissistic one here. No matter how it's sliced and diced, the bottom line is she does not want her mother living at her house.
DEAR 80 AND HOLDING: Thank you for sending it to me. I agree, the rules are worth repeating. Read on:
DEAR ABBY: When my husband's mother came to live with my husband and me 23 years ago, she made our lives so miserable I vowed I would never bring such misery to my children if I ever had to live with them. One day, I wrote myself a letter containing some rules. I put it in an envelope marked, "To be opened on the day I go to live with one of my children" -- then I put it away.
I've been widowed and self-sufficient for eight years, but I was recently forced to give up my job and move in with my daughter. I'm submitting that letter. Perhaps your older readers might benefit from it, as I intend to. Here are the rules:
-- Give what you can toward your keep. Any budget will stretch just so far.
-- Keep yourself clean and neat. Fresh undies and daily baths are a must.
-- Remember, it is their home. Give them privacy at every opportunity.
-- Try to make your own friends and develop interests outside the home.
-- If you suspect they would like to go away on a vacation but are hesitant because of you, offer to visit another relative or friend so they will be free to go.
-- Don't offer any advice or express any opinion on family matters unless asked.
-- Volunteer information that they might be too embarrassed to ask for, such as arrangements for your burial, hospitalization, etc.
These rules were written more than 22 years ago. I read them often and am determined to keep them. -- 76 AND HOLDING
When my Mom lived with me she had a house so most of her SS when to keeping it up till it sold. She did have a small pension check that I used on her needs. Did I charge her room and board, no because we did not need the money. But there are children that do need the money. One more person in their home can put a financial burden on them especially if the child needs to quit a job or cut down on hours to care for a parent. Then I see no reason the parent shouldn't pay something towards the house hold.
I think you need some personal outlets. You are more than a mom, and a care taker. Try to do something just for you. It's not frivolous, but a necessity. That will be an outlet, you can decompress, and face life with a calmness you didnt have before. It's not being selfish, but a necessity.
Are you able to get her to set the table, do dishes, or something else, maybe dust, fold laundry, set her up to mop a floor? Put groceries away? Does she have cognitive issues, even occasionally? People who have mild cognitive issues can get belligerent and hide it. Perhaps cooking a meal is to many steps? Or following a recipe. It is easier to be belligerent then say, I can't do it.
If you can find something she can do, that might be a decent trade off. Maybe involve the kids, and her. Make it fun. And teach kids it is not a boring chore, but we are all chipping in and helping the family. A very important lesson. And isnt it nice to have fresh clothes, a made bed, and a clean family room. How helpful they are. My mom kicked us kids out to clean. I had to learn how to do it on my own as a young adult. I would have loved knowing a good weekly system.
When I was in school, we had chores. I always felt good knowing we were setting tables, and doing dishes for the good of everyone. It was nice knowing that. It never seemed like this is awful. Why do I have to do this chore? Different mind set makes all the difference!
(In another thought) I found some ladies on YouTube that put crock pot meals together, then freeze them. It doesn't take long, and it is so nice to have back up meals when you dont want to cook. It might take a half hour or more, depending on how many meals you want to do ahead of time. You can get the kids, and mom to help. It teaches kids how to plan ahead. It is basically dumping items in freezer bags. There are stands you can buy to hold the bags open, so they dont spill contents out. The kids can dump and mix meals. Mom can open the meat or a can. You can supervise and read the recipe out. See how everyone is working together for the greater good of the family? Be sure to praise everyone for helping. They were such good helpers! Now you have meals for a month. One less thing to think about. Yea!
The meals are tasty, and I enjoyed knowing I had serveral back up meals in my freezer ready to go. It's nice to know I can just toss in the crock pot, and dinner is almost done. A big relief, when you dont want to cook, or have to figure out what to make, and what's in the cupboard. They have 5,10, 20 etc meal recipies. You just pick how many you want to do. That reminds me, I need to put more together :D They are so handy.
Id find something your mom can do, and let it go. At least she isn't complaining about your meals.
Your probably going to have to treat her as an extra kid. I'd pick something she can do, and leave it at that. It will also teach your kids, about caring for elderly, and to have patience. Those little minds are always watching.
Is your mom a narc? Maybe, but I'd rather let the resentment go, and have a better day, than dwell on it. That resentment will just eat away at you, and effect your health and mental state. You dont want your kids thinking your always in a bad mood and resentful. Take the kids and mom on a walk, or kids get their bikes and go around the neighborhood and enjoy the day. Or have a game night, or movie night. Let it go. Good luk
You clearly don't want your mother living with you. I totally understand that and it's totally fine. She shouldn't be living with you if it isn't working out.
You ask if your mother sounds narcissistic. Based on what you're saying, it would seem like you're the one with narcissistic tendencies. Your mother was honest and up front with you about not cooking. You moved her in anyway. She pays you rent and she also helps with the cleaning up. What more do you expect from a old woman?
Get her on one of those waiting lists for low-income housing. Get her on some for senior housing too. They base the rent on a person's income too. I think your wait will be less than three years if you put her name in enough of these places.
Your mother will be better off in a senior community as well.
Let me ask you a question. If you lived in a house with your family how would you feel if they all sat down to a home-cooked communal meal but they expected you to microwave a prepared meal and eat alone?
I think that would be a pretty lousy thing to do to a person. I have a strained relationship with my mother and this has been so since I was a little kid. I am a person with zero tolerance for any senior games or BS.
I would never sit down to a meal with the family and expect my mother to eat a microwaved meal by herself away from all of us.
Sometimes it gets to a point where an elder has to dine alone. Usually this is because they either have to be spoon-fed by someone else, feeding themselves is often too disgusting for others watch when they trying to eat a meal themselves. Totally understandable.
The OP's mother does not need someone to spoon-feed her and she is still capable of eating decently and being part of a shared family meal.
I honestly laughed out loud when I first read the original post. How many of us raised kids virtually alone while our husbands with a corporate job traveled weeks out of every month? <Raising my hand here>
The myopic vision OP has about herself -- "I have a kind heart" -- when so many here have pointed out otherwise is really very sad. I, too, feel bad for her mother, because imagine having to live where you aren't wanted with a daily guilt trip being laid upon you by your self-proclaimed "kind-hearted" daughter.
Some self introspection and some discussions with a therapist over OP's issues of needing to control others and her environment is in order.
Stock her up with plenty of pre-made salads, cooked chicken, and pre-cut fruits and vegetables. Find healthier versions of frozen foods.
If she is 72, why should she have to cook?
Labels do not help understand or deal with problems. It’s a lazy and ineffective way to describe relationships.
Mental health diagnoses can be weaponized - never a healthy way to seek solutions to very real and difficult problems.
Please repost this every time you see narcissism misused. It'll keep you busy, though. 😉
Ask her to set the table. Ask her to help load or unload the dishwasher. Or is she refusing to help with anything?
Good for you for not leaving any inheritance like the ops literally worthless mom, and not expecting to be taken in.
The answer to your question is to move your mother into her own apartment so there won’t be any conflict between the two of you. I live in New Jersey and I know 100% that there are many, many opportunities for low-, very low- and middle-income apartments available as I write this post. There are also many senior apartments that are being built as of the writing of this post. The secret of getting to rent one of them is to apply ASAP and get your name on the list. There is a link on the state website where people can find these apartments. You can add your name to the list to be notified when any apartment becomes available and you need to act quickly when they notify you of availability.
Wishing you good luck in finding an apartment for your mother ASAP, which will be the solution for this problem with your mother.
Maybe you can find her another task for her that will lessen your load. Or use some of the money and hire help of some kind around the house.
Perhaps you could start using some of the money she pays you and get meals delivered or just go out.
Its very hard to have someone live with your family even under the best circumstances, it’s just different.
Good luck to you.
Of course, I don’t really want my mom to move in with us for other reasons. Maybe you are focusing on the meal situation when it’s actually her living with you in general that you’re not comfortable with?