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I admire your mom. She knows what she wants and she trusts you to carry out her wishes if she is unable to voice them.
That is how you "cope" by knowing the decisions you make are ones that she herself would make.
I will say that if she did break a hip IF she consented to surgery it would take a lot in rehab given he current mobility problems.
If she elected NOT to have surgery she most likely would be confined to a bed, wheelchair or a chair. Not a great outlook.
But you do what you need to do to honor her wishes and accept them...you don't have to agree with them but they are her wishes.
One of the things you can do if she has not done so already is plan her funeral and do that the way she wants it. (Paying now is good, prices keep going up and you will be locked in and you will not be hounded to make decisions that you might not under normal circumstances)
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JamieNe Sep 15, 2024
I agree (grandma1954) you are a wise woman!
I’m going through the same thing with my mom.. 81 and confined to a bed, dementia kicking in and kidneys failing and she has refused everything. I have to honor HER wishes.. I would just be selfish and greedy wanting to keep her with me longer as much as I want to.
So I moved her in with me as I didn’t want her to die in that empty nursing home alone and scared. I have aids and nurses coming in for her being on hospice and they pay for Everything!

I also work at a funeral home and agree 100% get her funeral wishes in order and prefunded so it is not a last minute ordeal as you won’t be in a sound mind and have to wonder if you made the decision “she” would have wanted.
I see this with most families that leave it behind to their loved ones and it Only brings a huge burden and more heartache ! They are missing you and grieving and the last thing they want to do is pick out and pay for your funeral.
Even if you are going to be cremated you still need a funeral home to come pick you up and cremate you. You still need a burial spot.. no one takes the urn home anymore. Because they find out that is a burden they don’t want to pass it down and look at that every day and then what happens when everyone dies and here is this urn still sitting there. The estate lawyer brings them to us and we have to dispose of them. Very sad!
Trust me! I see it every day.. I got all my funeral wishes prefunded at 50! If you can’t afford it now how are you going to afford it later? You can make payments
I would never leave that behind for my daughters to do on the worst day of their life ever. It’s not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. You can save money now as yes, the prices only keep going up every year.. You won’t have your house, car, material things etc.
You need this regardless.
Even if you have life ins.. leave that to them as No life ins will take the emotions away from leaving it for your kids to have to plan your funeral.
Take Care..
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Your mom sounds like a very interesting person to hang out with.

2 issues you may be able to make progress on are glasses and her feet.

For glasses, try pointing out how nice different peoples glasses are on TV or in ads. Then start asking her what she things of other peoples glasses and what kind she would like to have. Basically, plant seeds for her to want to get new glasses. I use a place called Eyemart Express, prescription exams are only $65 and the local Dr. there is great. My wife and I love interacting with him. My point is it should be relatively easy to get it to be her idea. Easy yes, but not quick.

For her feet, explain that Stainless Steel Scalpels are non-toxic with no side effects and that a podiatrist may be able to really help with her bunions without medicines. After the foot Dr. she may buy into letting a Chiropractor take an x-ray of that leg and possibly get it straightened out without surgery. When one structural element gets out of alignment it throws everything up the skeleton out of alignment. That foot issue can affect the knee, hips and back. The poor dear's back probably feels like it's going to break most days. If you can get her feet straightened out, the rest of her may be able to be straightened out too.
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This is such a mixed bag. I can admire your mom for knowing her own choices so clearly. Too many people want every possible option, even those far worse than death. The other side is of course, we don’t get to pick what does and doesn’t happen, mom could have an event that causes damage far worse than dying, leaving her in a nightmare state of living. For example, my mother’s hemorrhagic stroke left her with zero physical abilities but a sound mind. She lived unable to do one single thing but think clearly. Things like taking blood pressure medication and other measures could possibly have prevented this, we’ll never know. I’m for some balance of enough doctors and medicine to do what we can toward wellness, but not kidding ourselves that we aren’t all going to die. I’m glad you have laid out ahead what you won’t do, mission creep is real. Respect mom in this and hope she gets the exit she wants. Don’t waste precious energy worrying over what you don’t control as none of us control any of it!
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Suzy23 Sep 9, 2024
Thank you, good advice. For myself, I get an annual physical from my PCP, get regular mammograms, visit the dentist twice a year, etc.
Mission creep is tough! I do try to have a clear line on what I will and will not do, but things do crop up and I have to make a decision each time, do I rush over there or what. That was much more intense when my dad was still alive. But it still happens. Like she drops her iPhone in the car and can’t reach down under the seat. Or the washing machine is make a funny noise. Or the recycling cans got knocked over and stuff is all over the front yard and street.
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How wonderful your Mom has clear ideas on her health. How absolutely wonderful she has expressed them to you so clearly. So you know what she wants. Of course we don't always get what we want, but use that as a GUIDE.

79? May not be awaiting a crises. May be years of stability ahead.
Relax.
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MiaMoor Sep 15, 2024
I agree, but she's already calling her daughter out for every little thing, instead of taking care of her general health (like bunions and knee joints) so that she can do things for herself.
She thinks she's independent, but she's really not. By refusing to see doctors and sort out fixable problems, she's causing more work for her daughter.
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It’s hard , but try not to worry about the “ what if “ medical emergencies . The waiting is tough . You know something at some point will happen Your mother may change some of her plans as things unfold , for example legal pain meds .

The rough part for you is that she’s still living in her home . We are in the “ waiting phase “ too. The difference is our elder will not assign any POA. We are going to visit her again in a few weeks and ask her what her plans are when she can’t live at home anymore which is coming soon. We live too far away to help . I suggest you ask Mom what are her plans when she needs more help and remind her that you can not be her hands on caregiver .
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Live in the present.

I'd check in on your Mom when the high school girl is not there. So you have more points of contact.

Your Mom sounds like she knows what she wants.
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I’m in much the same place with my 76 year old mother. She has diagnosed symptoms of several personality disorders, anxiety, depression, hoarder issues, C3-C7 neck fusion 16 mos ago, osteoporosis, and further degeneration in her entire spine. Her legit chronic pain plus psych issues have made her opioid dependent. She still walks but has poor balance in bigger open places outside her house. She’s refusing the pain pump the docs want to implant for her back. She’s already had spinal injections and a nerve ablation that didn’t work. We’ve been having conversations with her quack of a pcp about getting her on a palliative care program for better pain control . It’s hard to find pharmacies to fill her Norco rx. PCP says he would have to actually put her on hospice to get pain control, and he’s not ready to certify she has less than 6 mos. She is a smoker since teen years, and I hear her lungs crackle when we are on the phone or just in the same room. Yet her O2 sats are mid 90s. I help her like the high school girl you described, bring in groceries, do dishes, remove trash, wipe what I can reach in the bathroom, and change her bed. She made it clear to me in a recent conversation that she wants no more surgeries or procedures. No intubations feeding tubes etc. makes me wonder if we should get a DNR signed. She really just wants pain control and meds. I sit here and wonder when/how/what will take her or disable her to the point of needing LTC. She does not yet qualify for LTC Medicaid since she still does ADLs. I wish there was money for assisted living.
I have made my mother well aware that if she requires 24/7 care or can’t live a lone as she is now, with me only doing as I am now, then Medicaid nursing home it is. That I will NOT be her hospice caregiver.
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PeggySue2020 Sep 8, 2024
I just got my mri test results and once again, nothing conclusive. And I’m not getting opiates or anything useful for pain when I’ve been in a walker for most of this year. They gave me antidepressants, which was a joke. Mobil and now celebrex is a joke. Yeah, I’ve started not taking my hypertension medication. I just turned 60, and the last thing I want is to live another 15 let alone 30 years like this
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My state does have MAID and I did look into it for my dad. He did not qualify due to dementia. In my state, two doctors plus a therapist must certify that the person has a terminal condition, understands what they are agreeing to, is capable of making their own decisions, and is acting out of free will. She would have to get over aversion to doctors and therapists.
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ElizabethAR37 Sep 15, 2024
She might set aside her aversion if seeing the right doctor/therapist were presented as potentially in support of what SHE chooses to do at EOL. Although I'm not doctor-aversive I am doctor-minimalist, and I know it would make a difference to me. If I am required to see doctors/therapists in furtherance of my wishes, so be it.
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Your mom is one spunky lady!! Good for her! She's a smart and courageous woman.
I have almost the same advanced medical directives, with the exception that I only want palliative care with prescribed pain killers as needed (not from "the street" for god's sake). DNR. No elective surgery, and no anesthesia if a local is possible for any surgeries that I consent to. Also MAID (if legal) or other methods if not legal.
I have empathy for your situation while waiting for the other shoe to drop with your mother. As long as she's competent mentally what she says goes. If she's incapacitated I hope you will honor her wishes and feel no guilt.
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Suzy23 Sep 8, 2024
Thank you. That is my hope also.
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Here we have yet another elder who thinks she's living independently, but she's propped up by you, the high school girl, and perhaps others. She intends to be propped up for the rest of her life, obviously. That means someone else is on the hook for a rough ride. That's pretty selfish.

You're being very realistic about what's likely to happen - the fall, etc. etc. Since she knows how she wants to exit this life, you might as well give her free rein to do it. Nothing but frustration for you would result from trying to stand in her way.

But still - there's the prospect of her having some problem (stroke, fall, dementia) that results in her living disabled for many years, as you said. I think you should discuss that with her as kindly as possible. How would she like to handle her demise if disabled and unable to find what she needs to accomplish it? Or has cancer, and is in pain? Would she see a doctor for diagnosis when she has a growing lump somewhere? Or just lie in bed waiting? Would she allow hospice? Palliative care? Are you supposed to be her only caregiver at such a point? How long would you be willing to honor her previously stated wishes? How long can you put aside your own life to watch her debacle unfold?

My friend's sister, who suffered from a lifelong illness, quit eating. She told everyone that this was her wish, and it took her about a week to die. That's an option for your mom. If you live in a state where mom has the right to assisted suicide, you could help her get the paperwork in place now so that when she needs it, everything is ready. There are some excellent books and organizations to help.

I am in favor of being able to choose when we die, so my advice is meant to be helpful. I wish your mom good luck, and you too as you navigate this unfamiliar territory.
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Suzy23 Sep 8, 2024
My dad was on home hospice the last 4-5 months of his life. I arranged it and talked her into it. I think she would accept it for herself and also palliative care at the end. I certainly hope so. I had to explain what I was and was not willing to do for him, and so I assume she knows the same will hold true for her. I will NOT live with her, bathe her, change diapers, or anything like that.

I did mention the “stop eating” thing and her response was she thought it would be a painful way to go. My dad ate about 300 calories per day for many months and was barely 100 lbs at the end. But I don’t think that was the direct cause of his death.
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All your worries are well-founded, but….your mom sees the same situation, and has decided her path. And she’s the one who gets to make the call. Done.

Furthermore, should she develop a lack of capacity, she’s been pretty clear about her wishes, both explicitly in her living will and also her general philosophy (no doctor times 35 years, no chronic-condition meds, etc). So hopefully that will give you some useful guidance about how to represent her wishes when she can’t represent herself. Many POA’s don’t have such clear signals to follow, which leads to a lot of agonizing about what mom would want.
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Suzy23 Sep 8, 2024
Agreed, I am very glad she has been so clear about her wishes. My father was as well. He also told me a few months before his death that he had had a good life and was ready to go. I have been immensely grateful that he said that.
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I am 82 and a retired RN.
I agree with every single move your mother has made. EVERY ONE.
Now, when and if something comes Mom has the opportunity, if well and rational enough, to change her mind and treat after discussions with MD. That includes a busted hip which often has a good recovery. She can decide at that time, and if she is no longer competent then YOU do as she said, because living with incompetence is a crucible.

I was a breast cancer survivor, 36 years ago at age 47. I had Chemo and a mastectomy and then 36 very happy years cancer-free and living well. Last December, there it was again, same old Triple Negative, this time in the remaining left breast. I accepted lumpectomy with NO node removed, and I made it clear to Kaiser I have no intention now or ever of taking chemo, radiation or other treatment unless it returns to this breast in which case I would be doing a removal. I would NOT TREAT any spread. I would get palliative care (Kaiser agrees) and I would avail myself of our California right to die laws (Kaiser agrees). I have made this clear with social workers, and with all by interviews. This is in my chart. So the good drugs. Then the good cocktail at 6 months prognosis.

I am a member of FEN, and I do understand how to make a final exit when I wish to do so.

I have lived my life and I am lucky in its having been an enormously LUCKY life. I am satisfied. I am ready to go. My daughter is aware of this as is my partner; he agrees.

Now, like your mother, on I go. I see doctors when I wish to. I don't worry a whole lot about any of it. If I get dragged down the steps tomorrow by the foster dog it is quite likely I WOULD address a broken hip.

For others out there, if you do accept surgery it is important to re assert your No Code wishes while you are on the table. Those are usually off the table during surgery as they feel that if you go out on the table it's their fault and they need to try to correct for it. So if you don't want to be coded make that clear to the surgical team. Anesthesia. I LOOOOVVVVVEEEEEE it. One second you are there and the next you have a lemon popsicle in your mouth!

Good luck, Suzy. Do your best to honor mom's wishes, and thank god that she made them clear to you! My best to you and to her.
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Suzy23 Sep 8, 2024
Thanks, Alva. Your words make me feel more at peace with following her wishes. I assume FEN is Final Exit Network? And “no code” means no CPR even if on the operating table?
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