Hi,
My FIL passed away last 8/14/2021 and he was survived by his wife (my MIL) and his son (my husband) the problem is his wife has been showing signs of dementia for a couple of years, and she has been an utter handful due to COVID. Day centers were closed, placement was out of the question and the stress unfortunately lead to my FIL passing away.
My husband is trying to do everything in his power to do right by his mom, overall I cannot say she is an extremely difficult case per-se. She is just an attention starved person and I am sick of it. We have tried to find her placement, in our state MC is not covered by Medicaid, and due to the fact she requires 1-to-1 care unfortunately she has been kicked out of many SNF, and she is a wandering risk so assisted living is not possible.
Medications appear to have the paradoxical effect on her, or come with other side effects such as delusions, suicidal thoughts, vomiting, lack of eating, lack of sleeping. So her care team has given up on that approach, we even tried geriatric psych and they were unable to find something that would work for her that is relatively safe with minimal side effects. The problem is with attention and social interaction she is perfectly fine, the issue is until we go through all the appeals and hoops to get her the hours she requires my husband is left to flip the bill, which is one thing but he is also forced to give up his time.
We were meant to buy a house and start a family, and all of that went up in smokes because now he has to take care of his mother. She was never a good person prior to being sick, she has always been manipulative and not a team player. Her own family did not even bother to show up for my FIL funereal. I get she is alone, and she is the only blood related family he has left, but I cannot help but feel neglected. I know this is not his fault, but the reality I want his mother to die. Whenever I see her face I only picture choking, poisoning, pushing her down the stairs, watching her drown, in short I want her to suffer.
She has always treated me poorly and acted as if I am not good enough. As my FIL put it she was jealous of me, which I understand is normal. My Father did the same thing with my husband. The difference is my husband is a much kinder, and understanding person that no matter what horrible thing my family did or said about him he just smiled and took it, because he wanted to be with me. Even when I defend him, he always told me do not worry about it, he use to say I will grow on them like moss. I am just not that strong, I hate his mother, I wish she was the one to die and not his father. I hate the amount of suffering her and her family has caused them because they did not properly plan for their future. I hate the fact that I know my behavior causes my husband much stress, and I feel bad because I am trying to protect myself by distancing from the situation because I cannot do it. My MIL very existence causes me to massive anxiety.
I know I am a failure of a wife, but I cannot be by my husband's side during this time, I told him today I am moving out and need space. I am leaving my husband that has been nothing but understanding and supportive though my family's issues. I am not cut out to be a caregiver for someone I hate, or even be in the general area of the process that goes into. Every phone call my husband gets regarding her care my stomach flips and I want to vomit. We are in both couples and individual therapy and it pains me to see my husband sit there and blame himself.
This man legit apologized for showing his emotions and stress around me when dealing with his mother. He apologized for essentially being an advocate for his mother. Here I am putting myself first, while I leave the man I love behind because I am simply not built to care for someone I hate. I do not have the strength to forgive.
I hate this disease and what it does to families, I really am a b*** aren’t I? Such a horrible person.
OP presents herself so badly that it’s easy to blame her. OP stops herself and us from blaming DH. However it does sound that this is a classic case of ‘choose – mother or wife’. OP did not expect this from marriage. No matter how wonderful DH is, or how bad she feels about her own failings, OP is probably better off out of this marriage.
If you are not prepared to live your life that way I would suggest you discuss that with your husband. He has guardianship. He is unlikely to give that over to the state or to other family, and other family is clearly not willing to let this woman completely take over their lives.
Your husband will have to chose what to do with your MIL. If she is not at risk from wandering and is free to come and go and wants a lot of attention I suggest the family try putting her in an assisted living facility again. If that doesn't work, and she is still not diagnosed as demented (how can that be when she has been assigned a guardian? She either IS incomepent and needs a guardian or she is NOT incompetent and in that case there would BE NO GUARDIAN unless she wished to have one).
In any case, after this length of time I think you know there will be no peace, there will be no nuclear family that doesn't include MIL, and bringing children into this mess would be awful for ALL INVOLVED.
I myself would tell my husband "I care for you, but I cannot sacrifice my life to this. We have done all we can and there is no peace. It is turning me into something I don't want to be. I am so sorry, but I am leaving now. We need to see a lawyer for a separation, and I need to get my own place. I will support you as I would any friend, but that will not include care of your mother."
This is life. Some marriages work; some do not. For any number of reasons. For some people it is financial problems, for some it is something like this.
Only you can make the choice. You already know the facts. The facts are not likely to change, and you KNOW this, which is why your fantasy realm now is one in which death figures; that is NOT HEALTHY. Seek counseling for yourself, make your decisions, do your mourning and move on. There is very little choice unless you wish to continue on the way you are.
I also agree with others that this in no wise sounds like dementia. But in fact, it little matters WHAT it is, and in the realm of mental illness and dementia there is often no diagnosis until autopsy, IF THEN.
Best out to you. So sorry for this daily turmoil and torment. You and hubby are clearly bright and informed. You will have to make your own choices.
What does your MIL say about what she wants?
It strikes me that your husband had to demand an awful lot of tests before he got what sounds like a pretty reluctant diagnosis of vascular dementia. Was your MIL mentally ill before all this began? What was the medication they were giving her - and she is refusing - supposed to be for?
She's 5'10" and physically fit and evidently able to stride out quite long distances. She is by no means a falls risk. So why was that punted as a reason for requesting care? I am getting hints of galloping mental illness which your DH's family is still hoping to keep under wraps.
I'm sorry if you've already told us this, but how long have you been married?
Op, your MIL is not even living in your home so why would your dh have to pay for you to leave your home, live elsewhere and "be yourself?" Too much here that makes no sense at ALL and smells like fish to me.
Since then it has been a rough battle with my MIL, unfortunately our state does not have wandering laws if the person even with dementia knows where they are going and knows how to come back. Dementia in itself is not enough to keep someone inside even for their own safety, unfortunately she was still deemed to have capacity. Problem is my MIL would go to her sisters house everyday but her family did not like that. They started to call 911 each time she did it because it was too painful for them to see my MIL like that. My MIL would call 911 when either my husband or my FIL would tell her she cannot go see her family or tried to redirect her telling the police that they are keeping her inside the house. When they explained what was going on for the most part they did not care, my MIL and FIL apartment became a revolving door with officers because either my MIL would call or her family.
That is when my husband made the choice to peruse guardianship, and in the meantime would pay for care while he started on the Medicaid process. We tired to get her AIDS through Medicare using the VNS for things like her being a fall risk. They called his bull, and said she was not even though he had documentation from multiple doctors they did not buy it. She was considered to be “fine” for the time being.
My husband and his father share the load as best as possible but my FIL did most of the heavy lifting throughout the day especially early on due to COVID. Currently husband is staying in his mothers apartment at the request of the courts until suitable support is put into the place. They are helping him, because he has documented every encounter he has had and the court felt that a disservice has been done. Including all of the nursing homes that has kicked her out by simply bringing her back to the hospital due to potential aggressive behaviors. She is not a small lady, she is 5’10 and is extremely fit for someone her age. She enjoys staying fit so many workers do feel intimidated by her.
Some doctors recommended that she no longer exercises so the staff could feel safer around her. I have tried to be supportive for many years, it is just the system has failed us countless times, and I see what it is doing to my husband. I cannot imagine how it feels to hear doctors tell you to limit the few things your LO with dementia has control over because people are scared the big Hispanic women, or having people tell him he is entitled because he does not want go against his current geriatric doctors recommendations regarding medication.
When his mother was in one facility they called my husband up at 7:30 am asking if they could give her a sedative since they were unable to calm her down, She was going into other peoples rooms, walking around etc. . . Generally being annoying. He said he was not comfortable sedating her so early in the morning, and requested could they do some activities with her. They were understaffed, they tried to give her the drug, she called my husband and told him what they were doing and I have never seen him so upset. When he got to facility he saw his mother throwing up at the side of her bed, it appears they forced her to take it so she was trying to get rid of it.
This sounds similar to a posting over at the Alzheimer’s site, but from the wife’s point of view. Assuming that this is the same situation, and having followed that, I’d say it’s best if you do remove yourself from the home. Both you and your husband write about how you are trapped and want to do harm to the MIL. Your husband is enmeshed with and committed to supporting your MIL, though he is aware of her manipulative nature. It may be possible that her extensive reactions to meds are driven by what seems to be a mental illness. He has made his choice. It’s not tenable for you to stay, and it’s time to throw in the towel.
I will say that if this is a cross-forum trolling attempt your persistance is phenomenal.
Yes, I am aware he has made his choice. To be honest, I do not know if he is aware she is manipulative. Which is part of the issue I have with her. I know she is sick, but she is still dragging her son through the mud for her own well-being which does not seem fair.
Nor is having him care for his mother tenable. Feelings a weird you can know something is wrong and want to change it but still want to do so. I still love him and want to be with him. Just when I try to be supportive something flips inside of me when it comes to her.
You say that your and DH's plans of having children went up in smoke because of his mother; but his mother has only been on your plate since August of this past year, yes?
Have you looked at Nursing Homes with dementia units? What do you mean when you say she is "fine" with one to one attention?
Folks with dementia are seldom "fine".
You seem to be saying as well that there are limitations on the meds that her team has tried. Are they (or is DH) unwilling to try an antipsychotic like Seroquel? You really need to find a "team" that is willing to consider all the possibilities. Also consider the fact that MIL may be mentally ill in addition to having dementia. If she has always had a "dramatic" personality, consider that some of the "side-effects" may be self-reported but not necessarily present. Has anyone tried a placebo to see if she has "side effects" from one of those?
I certainly think that getting some time and space to yourself is a good thing, but I wouldn't give up the ship quite yet.
He does want the best care for his mother, even though at the core I do not think she is worth the effort, and to a degree I do not think he does either. We had a talk about it and it seems he really doing this for himself. He wants to be able to live with himself and say he tried everything possible to keep her happy, just sucks that he is willing to put our happiness on hold.
We are both in our late 20’s. I cannot answer what else they have done, my husband has been doing his best to keep his mother’s issues to himself and away from me. I really only know about the major changes, but outside of just general phone calls we really have not spoken much for the last couple of weeks. He has been doing a lot to make her apartment safer, and has been trying to find aids that his mother may gravitate towards.
My SO has joked about how he wishes his parents could die in a plane crash for their sakes. They literally have no mindset for living once one of them is gone beyond "wanting to die" but not having a gun. It'd at least be what they ant.
I really think OP would be seeing this differently if her DH's help consisted of helping mom find the resources as opposed to DH BEING the resource. If the priority were the former, I'm sure OP would be glad to research ALs or aides.
In my opinion, OP went far over the line, and for the safety of all involved, she should leave the home immediately.
Whatever the outcome with the MIL, it is time for YOU to seek psychological help.
It may be that your limitations are such that you cannot give in home care. No judgement from ME, here, as though I loved being a nurse I could never have done what I did 24/7 in home. So my limitations and such that I have always recognized that.
In all of this I do not know if MIL actually lives with you, but I assume so given her needs. And she is a tough case. It is not so unusual as you might think for patients to have paradoxical affect from medications, and VD is truly one of the most difficult to deal with. If MIL has been shown the exit in various facilities, as you say she has, it would not be surprising that you cannot live with her, especially when you are planning to start a family. THAT is not possible if MIL lives with you; she won't get better. She will get worse.
If you are young enough to just now be planning a family I suspect MIL is not very old; she may have decades left. If your husband is also sinking money into all this, as you infer, then the assets meant for his own nuclear family is instead invested in his ill Mother.
I would suggest that you leave now. Your feelings are out of control. You should seek help. If your husband doesn't place his mother while you are long I suspect you are not now/will not be in future strong enough to be the caregiver for this woman, and I suspect the marriage is over OR your husband places his Mom somewhere where the state will provide where he is unable to. Sorry, it sounds all so cruel, but I don't see any options here, and when I read the responses I think that others really don't either. This can be like dealing with a psychotic person unless you ARE there 24/7. I don't know anyone capable of giving up their own life in that manner.
You are very well spoken. I suspect you are very intelligent and capable of working to support yourself. You are not capable of doing this. There are no children involved. Sadly I would leave. Your husband is a good man, and torn between Mom and wife. I am afraid he has made his choice. To be frank I believe it to be dangerous to your mental health to stay and perhaps dangerous to others to have you there.
I am so sorry. Not everything has a good answer. Not everything can be fixed.
Your MIL is not the reason you are leaving your husband. I understand that you hate this woman. You hated her before the dementia. Your reasons are your own and no judgment about it. You do ask here, "I really am a b*tch, aren't I?"
Yes, you really are but you're doing the right thing by leaving your husband because he probably deserves a lot better than you. Instead of lamenting about the massive anxiety your MIL causes you simply by being alive, you could maybe relieve some of your husband's burden here. Pick up the phone and make a few calls to different care facilities in your area. Go and tour some of them. Find out which ones have MC areas. Most of the larger chain-owned ones do and they take Medicaid. Her son does not have to pay for her care. Granted it's likely she won't get into a top-shelf facility with only Medicaid paying.
But why should that bother you? I'm sure you'll be delighted if the worst nursing home in your state accepts her. You do after all admit to wanting her to suffer and die a violent death.
I can't even believe that you'd tell people, strangers at that, about your husband apologizing for showing his emotions to you his wife and for being his mother's advocate. You should be ashamed of yourself. Did you ever entertain the possibility that your husband loves his mother, and you're not the only person he has love for? He needs help finding a permanent living situation for his mother. Maybe you could grow up and make yourself useful and help him with it.
OP's rage is somewhat misplaced as it is really rage toward her husband prioritizing his mother over her in terms of time--and for an infuriatingly indeterminate time period.
I don't think this OP is the kind of person to help or advocate for anyone, including her own husband who she is abandoning less than six months after his father passed and he is trying to deal with his mother who is ill. By the OP's own words- "I cannot say she is an extremely difficult case per-se. She is just an attention starved person and I am sick of it."
The woman just lost her husband less than six months ago, and this OP wants to see her "suffer".
I personally hope the OP and her husband divorce and the husband finds a partner deserving of his loyalty and love, instead of the selfish heartless "partner" he has now.
Yet you think OP should be the "priority" right now. SMH.
The question is, what to do.
How long have you been married?
Is MIL actually living in your and husband's home at the moment?
You're leaving a wonderful man because you hate his sick and elderly mother, both of whom are on the spectrum, by your own words.
Are you serious with all this??
What advice does the therapist have for you? If it's "either help your man or get out of his way" then I agree 100%.
True love requires compromise and giving of oneself even under stressful circumstances. Think about what you're willing to give to this marriage and if the answer is "nothing more" then file for divorce, that's my suggestion. Because your husband needs a partner who can help him get his mother situated so he can live with himself as a son. Family does not turn their back on a loved one when the going gets tough. They find a solution, no matter what it takes.
Should have phrased it better meant to say my husband is on the spectrum, his mother does have mental health issues though which do complicate matters.
You are 100% correct that is what I should be. He is far from perfect, but he has been wonderful to me and my family, which hurts the most cause I know what I should do but it is hard to still do it.
This is insanely disturbing. Leave and stay away. You are a danger to her and to your husband. Get some help.
Sounds like your Husband wants to find the right care accom for his Mother, but it is not as quick or straight forward as you both would like.
There is smooth sailing in life, but choppy waves & wild storms at times too.
Is it worth losing your marriage for this particular storm?
He has been nothing but understanding, and here I am being a child unable to deal with his mother to add some relief on his part and be a supportive ear in his time of need, cause anything regarding his mother makes my blood boil.
And if he actually stays after you leave, then he loves his mother and/or his inheritance more than you. Inheritance further is his property and not yours in my state, anyway. Why would you put yourself out for a man who could just divorce you?
Thing is I know he loves me, and I do not think it is a competition between who he loves more. I can see it hurts him and he has expressed he wishes he could just turn a blind eye and let what happens happens to his mother. He cares, that is his mother and wishes to do all that he can for her.
Yet my friends and family have told me the same thing leave him and if he does not follow that means he has made his choice. Which I do not think is fair, he has a standard of care he wishes for his mother I should not penalize him for having such standards. I mean that leave of concern and care is one of the aspects I fell in love with, Though now I am sick of it because it he is wasting time and energy on a person I do not feel is worth any sense of kindness and should simply rot away in a nursing home and die alone?
What makes it rough she is at that middle point of dementia where they are difficult to assess.
At the very least I never took it as something that was not proper or should be the way things are. Just a matter of fact that it is the way things are within many families. My father was the same way to a degree, I was a the first born, and no man was ever good enough.I think his father meant from that POV, at least that is how I viewed it