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While it makes good sense to have extra essentials......this hoarding mentality is selfish. TP, hand sanitizer, disinfectant wipes and sprays, thermometers etc. Are hard, if not impossible to find. Grocery stores are essential businesses and will remain open. So will pharmacies, and then there is always the big box that will deliver. The main purpose of the stay in place order is to slow the spread of the virus and not overwhelm our healthcare system (N.Y. is already there). What bothers me most is still seeing crowds of people completely ignoring social distancing. They put others at risk and our most vulnerable in harms way. So PLEASE people, stop buying more than what will get you through for two weeks and unless you absolutely have to go out.....stay home!! Lives depend on it.....COVID19 does not discriminate, but certainly overwhelms the most fragile among us. Take care everyone!
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MAYDAY Mar 2020
no, this virus doesn't care what you are.. but a lipid living thing, that it can attach to, and perhaps jump to another carrier when it precariously happens, or does it have a small brain? A very teeny, tiny brain, maybe.. who knows. Someone said it doesn't like the sun,,, Vitamine D. or C.... or maybe send some into Cryo Innovations, cryo genics chamber, and see what happens to it?
All I know,,,, If it happens upon me, and I don't see it, and it got into me:::
DNR ME. I don't want to be intubated/// :( I don't want to be blamed for passing it along. That would kill me.
And this day is done, I tired, GN
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NeedHelpWithMom, Yes, we occasionally have fireflies in the summer. When I was a kid at my grandma's in Chicago, we had lots of them, but only recently have ever seen them out here in the Black Hills. I lived for years in Florida, and really like the deep fried alligator, deep fried conch, conch chowder - now I'm homesick!
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
Mally,

That’s how my daughter and I ate the gator. It was bite sized fried gator served as an appetizer.

I love Florida. My daddy grew up in Florida so we went to the beach every summer. Those white sand beaches and blue-green water, so very pretty! 😊

We can dream of it!
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My state has just been given a 'stay at home order', only essential business. This is for Monday and today the traffic looks like Christmas - so this should work really well! If the whole country had been locked down sooner, maybe things would be different. Now all the business people are running around trying to get all their work done before Monday and I imagine the stores are crowded with people panicking and trying to get a bunch of groceries before Monday. So much for that idea.
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CA is shelter in place as of March 28, 2020 until Further Notice. As of today, all San Mateo County parks have been closed due to overcrowded walking.
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worriedinCali Mar 2020
CA has actually been shelter-in-place since the 20th I believe. The governor ordered it last Thursday.
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Try searching the website at instok.org and click on your zip code plus what item you're looking for. Items "available" in stock is worth trying your selection and may save driving trips/lines. Good Luck!!
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lilhelp Mar 2020
Thank you!  I can't get it to work on computer.  Tips?      lil
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Well the water service is now complaining that all the baby wipes people without babies foolishly hoarded, are CLOGGING the pipes. Gee ya think? The lack of common sense among this community never ceases to amaze me!

I went to Nob Hill Thursday night and Costco yesterday afternoon. And All paper products were sold out. Of course they were! Same with Clorox & Lysol wipes. I couldn’t even get my liquid dish soap at Costco because it’s sold out! And to my surprise, they have raised the limit of 2 cases of water per member to 5! As I was walking through the parking lot, I kept seeing people walking out with 4-5 cases in their cart and I was thinking what the heck is going on here? I’m gonna be pissed if I get in there and there is no water left! Well there was maybe 25 cases left by the time I made my way to the back of the store. They’ve done a number on the inside of the store too! I guess to accommodate the boards of people who line up at 3am and rush inside when the doors open at 9, they’ve blocked partial access to the back of the store where the water, toilet paper and cleaning supplies are. You have to go a certain route and there’s no way cut through like there was before. Anyway bought 2 cases of water. Hubby said I should have bought 5. WHY THOUGH? So I can contribute to the problem? 2 cases will last us 2 weeks.

It looks like I am going to have to start getting up at the crack of dawn so I can be at the grocery stores When open, if I want to buy toilet paper. I have an emergency plan in case we run out but my family will NOT be happy with me if I have to implement it LOL!!

I went in to hubby’s bathroom last night
and not only does he have 3 rolls of TP hidden away in there but he is hoarding 10 packages of the fancy bum wipes he gets from the dollar shave club!!!!! SMH. Guess I know where to look first, when we run out of TP. We can use the wipes he’s hoarding!
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Shell38314 Mar 2020
Worried,

Just tell hubby he has to share! LOL!
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Unfortunately Schrederkin these steps are needed to prevent this killer virus from spreading. Our Doctors & Nurses and all the Medical Staff right across the Board are working tirelessly to contain this Corona Virus. Trust in the Management as they know best.
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HOpefully the stores will be shelved with actual TP... I have a newspaper ready just in case... heard they used to use that and the Sears catalog back in the good ole days
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
Wow! Yeah. I don’t know how those traps work. Our mayor said that the traps work.
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You guys are scaring me to death talking about rats in the cities.... We live in the woods, and I haven't even seen a vole or a mouse in about two years! Remind me to stay here....
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
Mally,

You know how rats do live in metro areas. Lord here, we have rats. Cajun areas they eat the nutria and alligator, squirrels, etc. Well, we have gator dishes in a few restaurants here too. I have had it. It’s good. My daughter and I tried a gator appetizer.

What wildlife do you see? Do you have fireflies? Those are so cool. We don’t see those in the city. But I remember being in a rural area as a kid and seeing them light up and I thought they were so cool!
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Book, my daughter bought that rice too! You will never eat that much. That’s a lot of rice! LOL.

We do bread pudding here in New Orleans as a treat. I have never made a rice pudding or even tasted it. We don’t make it here. Is that good? Do you make it?
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xrayjodib Mar 2020
NHWM,
Would love a good bread pudding recipe!!
It's my kryptonite!!
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We did our last grocery shopping today. With the 45 confirmed cases, it's time to hunker down. Told oldest sis we will now start eating sparingly to make the food last as long as possible. I have absolutely no desire to go out in public. We bought another bag of 20 lbs. Jasmine rice. We were looking at the 50 lbs rice. I told sis that it's too heavy to lift - even if we did it together.... I'm tired... And this ordeal is just beginning.... I miss fave sis!!!
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MAYDAY Mar 2020
drove to too many stores yesterday.. I was tired and livid.. TP really that much of an issue? I guess,,, I tried, wont do that again.... Got home and was absolutely exhausted... got in house took a shower and washed my clothes and towel... That was the longest time I was out and about looking for one thing... I will not do that again.. Usually dart and dash of what I need.. That to me seems ok.. I will know when I am wrong if I get sick.. I don't go out, and I stay my distance, although a man did cut in front of me today.. almost said something,, but that distance marker made me clam up and smile... he knew... the lil rat.
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Bookluvr, are these online courses?   Can anyone participate?  I'd love to hear more technical advice from the medical profession.
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bookluvr Mar 2020
It’s online courses open worldwide through ‘ coursera.org ‘

I learned of this website (years ago) when Gladimhere alerted us of the upcoming free online courses in dementia/Alzheimer.

1. https://www.coursera.org/learn/covid19-epidemiology?utm_medium=email&utm_source=other&utm_campaign=partner.8.opencourse.targetedmessages.marketing~partner.8.KgPy15eFTxqdgao_YqVH5g

2. https://www.coursera.org/specializations/professional-epidemiology?utm_medium=email&utm_source=other&utm_campaign=partner.8.opencourse.targetedmessages.marketing~partner.8.KgPy15eFTxqdgao_YqVH5g
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I just forwarded an email to my sister. It’s on John Hopkins University on Covid-19. Her daughter is a nurse - in case she’s interested in learning more.

“COVID-19 Learning Opportunities from Johns Hopkins”

1. Fighting COVID-19 with Epidemiology: A Johns Hopkins Teach-Out, a free two-week learning event, beginning Tuesday, March 31

2. Epidemiology in Public Health Practice Specialization, an on-demand five-course sequence that goes into even greater depth about the field and its tools, available now.
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And just yesterday I was joking the Canada should deploy the military along the border to keep infected Americans out....
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Shell38314 Mar 2020
LOL!
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NeedHelpWithMom, that's a first for me.   I hadn't thought about undesirable vermin and changes in their normal diet and eating modes.   That's unsettling... as if there aren't enough problems already.   

Would this be an opportune time to add rat poison to foods that they might seek?   They're undesirable vermin and do carry diseases, so I think that would be justified.
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
Yeah, the mayor made me laugh talking about ‘our rats’ are marching down streets looking for food. The mayor said she is going to set traps.

She was concerned about disease. But hey, they are a part of the circle of life.

Certain areas now have the coyotes that are going after small dogs. It’s weird but people are taking over their land all over so it will happen.
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I got an email from our congregation yesterday about a particular member who needs shopping done. Another member volunteered her college age son, saying that she knows that this man wants certain items from certain stores. I emailed back that it would be better use of the son's time to teach this gentleman how to order online than to bounce from store to store. "Oh, but he is so particular" is not cutting it these days.
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I was chatting with my neighbour from across the street yesterday and she was telling me about her shopping experiences during early seniors only hours:
One older lady from up the street was shopping for a group but was distressed because she was only allowed 1 bag of milk (we get our milk in bags, one 4 litre bag contains 3 smaller bags), she'd have to come back again to get more. And why couldn't she split this with her friend in order to make due? Why because she wanted 1% and her friend wanted 2%.
Another person was out in search of toothpaste, because their grandkids liked a different kind than the adults in the house.
Still others were making a certain recipe an needed particular ingredients.

Hello? Pandemic going on out here, we're supposed to be practising self isolation and all that....🙄. Our leaders have been tossing out the war analogy - if instead of a virus it was an enemy sniper with a gun would we still risk going to the store for such trivial "needs"?
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MAYDAY Mar 2020
Tell the kids to use baking soda to brush the teeth. works great, cheap, and taste worse than anything else, but your mouth will thank you for it.
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Ahhhh, life in the city! Isn’t it great? Our mayor has said that our rodents are super hungry because the restaurants are closed so they aren’t eating the food out of the dumpsters behind the bars and restaurants.

So the rats are marching down empty streets looking for food. She is concerned about the diseases that rats carry. Geeeeez!

Anyone else’s mayor discussing how the rats are hungry in their city? Bizarre, huh? I realize all metro areas have rats but it’s just a topic that isn’t discussed on a daily basis.

Anyone else have any interesting local news stories to share?
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bookluvr Mar 2020
Let’s hope the stray cats in your neighborhood are up to par in facing these hungry marauding rats. (My brother has seen these wave of rats from the other neighborhood to ours at night in his security camera. He’s also seen the stray cats going after it.)

Maybe the mayor can organize the musicians to stand outside their balcony and play their instruments/voice to hypnotize the rats like the Famous Pied Piper. Can’t say that there wasn’t any precedent. Eek! Gross just imagining it.
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My nephew's wife doesn't/didn't believe in stocking up or shopping sales so she normally grocery shops 2-3 times a week, often shopping for the meal she wants to cook. She also buys a lot of freezer to microwave food so the boys can prepare their own snacks and meals. Previously I could not convince her to even consider purchasing a second fridge so she could buy a week's worth of milk and eggs for the 6 growing boys and men of her household. She says frozen meat doesn't taste as good so she's not interested in shopping meat sales.

How things have changed in the last couple of weeks... Her household now has both a second fridge and a freezer. When she finds milk, bread or eggs, she wants to be able to store them for a few days until they are consumed. Leftovers are to be frozen and not discarded. Fortunately the local groceries had sales on beef and chicken in January and my freezer was fully stocked and I have been able to provide some frozen meat and other groceries, but NIL still hasn't adapted to conserving resources much. For example, I use beans in my chili and while there's limited ground beef availability I decreased the amount of meat and added two more cans of beans, using 1.5 lbs of beef and 6 cans of beans in 10 qt of chili which provides 12-14 large servings. A 10 qt pot of chili or soup is consumed in one day when the boys are home. NIL still wants to make chili without any beans using 4.5 lbs of chili for about 6 qts. I opened one of my cans of dehydrated ground beef from the long term pantry and found it works well in seasoned dishes; chili, spaghetti, tacos, enchiladas, lasagna, etc. so I'm saving the "real" ground beef for hamburgers and meatloaf; NIL doesn't want to use the dehydrated food supplies at all. I really cannot tell the difference in good re-hydrated vegetables and grocery store canned food except the salt content is lower. I've been using dehydrated onions, celery, carrots, potatoes and the like for cooking for several years, both because they are easier to keep and to avoid slicing and dicing. Fortunately my nephew can afford to purchase food from drive thru windows, at least for now.
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schrederkim, I'm so sorry for what you and your Mother are going through.  This is happening all over.  It's got to worry you to death. 

It's good she's in a facility, but I get that she's not independent, nor can be, and add hospital return.  Thank God you have a nurse with her M-F. Would a nurse/s go Sat & Sun?  Could you ask her Dr. to prescribe Home Health Care or whatever help she needs that would be covered by an insurer (Medicare, etc.) since she was just released from the hospital for congestive heart failure? 
*I wasn't able to read all answers here (140+) so if someone already mentioned this, please overlook my unknowingly repeating it.

Please let us know.

Talking to her on the phone won't be the same, but if you can do that, it may help comfort you and her.
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I went to 5 stores today... NO PAPER GOODS... I sat in line to get into a couple of stores, waited for a person to come out, so I could go in... Social Distancing.. Or should we call it Physical Distancing? No closer than 6 feet away... Kleenex or other facial tissue paper can work... 2 ply, separate the 2 ply so they don't do damage to the drains... and if that doesn't keep the body clean, use a baby wipe, but throw that in the trash..facial cleansing wipes work too.
I guess more people should start backpacking and "roughing it" again, so we can get used to the new norm... That goes for water too... If you don't trust the water that is pumped into your home, boil it for 20 minutes? and use a water pitcher with filter... then refrigerate it.. I suppose...Boiling water should be good enough. And if you see a neighbor with a lemon tree, full of lemons... ask for a couple of them...It's better than seeing them rot.. I gave away a lot of lemons... this tree is supposed to be a miniature.. When they come in.. and I don't need all of them,, I will pack them up in recycled bags, and hand them out to people I know and don't know..I mail them to friends, a couple of good customers from work.. and they appreciate it. But it's a good way to meet your neighbors.:)
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
I love lemon trees!
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Did anyone ever imagine in a million years that we would be discussing toilet paper so freakin much?

This is what everyone should own stock in! 😂 LOL
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MAYDAY Mar 2020
I was thinking the same thing... And here I am,, tissue-less. Well, toilete paper-less,, but as someone said,, he found a good use for the one sock with no partner..
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1795 confirmed cases and 65 deaths 😔 in my state, Louisiana.

This virus is spreading very rapidly.
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Sendhelp Mar 2020
😥😷
Louisiana has endured so many crises and disasters NHWM.
I have read the possibility of epicenter news, and because we know you here, this makes the situation more personal than just reading about a place far away.
Please know that you are cared about by so many.

You will get through this. Hugs!

Gotta run because an electrical vault in our neighborhood just blew and electricity is out now. Minor, getting used to it.
But the computers will be down.
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Pray for me too. I live in a condo in with 24-hour security. Living alone means technology for family and friends. I can still see security guards and walk around lovely grounds. My Goodwill employment shut down three weeks with full pay and health insurance. Hope paychecks continue as I live in my only place. I am only 64. Also, pray for coronavirus victims and their families.
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2020
Will pray for you 💗
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I came across a YouTube video in which the person sent out worldwide for assistance in ideas and know-hows in making/inventing protective gears for the medical communities. A Seattle ICU doctor offered his experience in ventilator & respiratory background & has 2 3D printers... a high schooler in NY offered to do the lower researches that's mostly time-consuming grunt work so that others can concentrate on outside-the-box solutions... etc... You can see from the screenshots the back-and-forth of how to tweak the new invention for practical in hospital situations... Wow... Kudos to everyone trying to help the medical communities...
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Florida -
Last night: 1400+, 20 deaths
Noon: 1500+
Tonight: 1900+ cases, 23 deaths
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bookluvr Mar 2020
That is a huge jump of confirmed cases within a 24 hour time period... Unfortunately, a lot of people, not just in Florida, are really not taking this virus spreading seriously.
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Today I had a miracle happen!!
At least it was miraculous to me!!
Had to make a trip to the grocery store. As has become my norm, I went to the paper goods isle.
Once again, NO TOILET PAPER!!!
I resigned myself to the fact that I was gonna have to cut up more paper towels(put them in the trash. Don't ever put them in the toilet!).
While standing at the check out I spot a woman with a 12 pack of TP. I asked her where she found it??? She told me that they just found a box in the stockroom and the clerk was putting it on the shelf now! My hubby turned to me and said "RUN"!!!
I am happy to announce that I am now the proud owner of a 12 pack of TP!! At least for a while!!
Maybe a small victory, but a victory none the less!!
Hopefully you got a chuckle out this too!
Hang in there everyone!!
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lilhelp Mar 2020
I'm so happy for you!  You were where you were supposed to be at the right time!  PS Can you toss a roll over here?  :P  lil
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Colorado "stay at home" order.
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One person went to the ER in mid-March for feeling sick.  It was determined she didn't have the flu and she was admitted in a regular room.   It seems after further testing, she's a confirmed case.  And 3 nurses who attended her from the time she was admitted to current - are now confirmed cases, too.  All 4 are now in isolation.... 3 nurses knocked out at one time.

Someone called the radio station complaining that when he called 911, the EMT refused to go near him.  He complained that he had to do his own temperature.  Because he didn't have a fever, he was not seriously ill to be taken to the ER.  Radio announcer had to reason with him - to see why he couldn't go to the ER, that he wouldn't even want to go there at this time, etc... He eventually calmed down.
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bookluvr Mar 2020
37 confirmed - 4 are nurses...
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Lots of news on our local channel tonight.

Our local musicians are writing songs and since they can’t perform at their regular gigs at this time, they are playing their instruments on their front porches for neighbors who step outside on their porches. They are also having virtual concerts online with virtual tip jars!

They are taking a hit like many others. Our film industry is suffering too. Nothing is being filmed. No conventions at the convention center downtown. On and on and on. Our towns and cities have come to a halt, haven’t they?

Our numbers are going up. Just about 1400 confirmed cases now and over 40 deaths.

Our police officers, firefighters and medical personnel are among the infected. The clergy as well. Our archbishop has the virus.

The largest number of cases are in New Orleans but it’s spreading throughout the state. The lockdown that was previously only in New Orleans is now mandatory for the entire state. This is all so sad. 😞

I wish our lives could go back to normal. Lots of changes for everyone. I am hoping for the very best for each and everyone of you and hope things will ease up as soon as it possibly can.
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