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Think 6 months down the road, 12 months, what is more important? Maintaining your "friendship" or honoring your mother's wishes? You don’t make it clear id the friend is your mother's or yours. What would you want if it was you in your mother's shoes?

I recently made the decision to let my mother die. She had made it clear to me that she did not want heroic measures to keep her alive, no respirators, no life support. It was difficult but I honored what she wanted.
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TekkieChikk Jan 2021
Went through the same thing with my mother. She told me that choosing hospice was the last thing she would ever have control over. I wanted her to see experts and consider experimental treatments but she was done, the cancer had taken too much from her. C150flyer, it's possible that your mother feels the same.
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Dear c150flyer: If your mother wishes to have Hospice, then she should. Take no heed to the hurtful discourse of the troublesome family friend/co-caregiver, lest it causes you to lose focus on the most important task at hand, which is your mother. I, too, experienced this in regard to my late mother, e.g. having all kinds of so called friends and less-than helpmates suggesting what I should or should not be doing in regard to my out-of-state caregiving to my mother. I had to leave my home, my family and everything else behind to move in with my mother to provide care for her. I dismissed suggestions, deeming them inappropriate as they were NOT in the active caregiving role. Prayers sent to you, c150flyer.
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I am sorry your mom's "friend" seems to think she has the right to put you down, spread lies and rumors, and attempt to tell you what's best for YOUR mother. If mom chooses to try treatment she can still be on a branch of hospice called palliative care which allows her to seek treatment but they will help with pain management for mom. If her treatments work great, if not it's a very easy transition to regular hospice. Either way they are there for mom. You and your husband need to set boundaries with mom's toxic friend or tell her you no longer need her assistance if she gets out of line again, telling her that you will let her know when or if it's convenient for a visit with mom in a stress free environment, dont call me I'll call you. Sounds like she is trying to portray herself as a sainted friend while spreading lies. I know this is not nice of me but is mom's friend married? You mentioned a stepfather, could it be she is trying to make you look bad to look good in his eyes? Her mentality is she'll be there for him when the time comes, that he will turn to her in his time of need and grief, stranger things have happened, actually had one of MIL club friends say that's how she snagged husband #3🤦‍♀️🤣 another one with zero filters.
Bottom line do what mom wants and what is best for her.
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Has your mother appointed a health proxy? If so, or if she were to, would it be her friend or you?

It sounds to me as if the outburst and the hurt you've experienced are the result of too many cooks adding to an already immense burden of pain, stress and fear - for all concerned, too, although of course mainly for your mother.

In making the choices, there are so many factors to consider, but you are all actually on the same side, your mother's side. Her wishes come first. Friend needs to realise that, and perhaps needs help treading a better-drawn line between positive thinking and wild optimism, but you're probably not the right person to tell her. Any counsellors or chaplains available?

[I'm afraid this won't help :/ - but what was the point of the MRI? To see if there were brain metastases, and..? What about it? What difference would finding them make to her treatment? I think the oncologist should be prepared to explain his reasons for pushing this unpleasant procedure on your mother.]

One thing is absolutely sure, though. If your mother consistently states that she wants to be admitted for hospice, and she has been supported to think through the possible treatment and has rejected it, then Friend is utterly, utterly wrong in saying that you must not "acquiesce." It's not your decision or hers, it's your mother's. Friend can be as well-intentioned and vicariously heroic as she likes about this - she's still wrong.

Is it the same oncologist who's got Friend all excited about the promising bio-markers? I'm not sure I like the sound of him.
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I have no answer but I can say you’re not alone . I’m right there with you. If I had to guess, I’d say you take care of your mom physically and the other person takes care of finances, checking in for 5 minutes every other day. Even if I’m wrong about that , I know what you’re going through. All I can say is keep your eye on the heavenly prize. God knows your work. God bless you . And in case nobody’s told you lately, thank you for all that you do.
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Use your mobile phone to video decisions your mother makes. Then when the friend accuses you of anything, have her watch the video and proceed to do what is in your mother's best interests, as she has expressed during lucid moments assuming you are her medical PoA. The friend needs to understand what the treatment is doing to your mom's brain function. She will believe your mom's own words. You will also be able to show it to your mom when she seems to change her mind on important decisions. Otherwise she will unintentionally be whipsawing you around and wearing you thin, as you already are. May your situation end with peace on all fronts.
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I would think that you, as a family member, could 'easily' override a 'friend' in managing your mother's care. If I were you, I would find out if a legal restraint could be in place of this 'friend' who is interfering with family decisions. A 'friend' like this doesn't really alleviate 'some pressure off of us.' She is adding fuel to the fire. In no uncertain terms, she should not be allowed to contact your mother.
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Your mother has repeatedly asked for hospice, contact hospice. It is not giving up, it is comfort care. They will also help you with dealing with all of the many emotions that comes with this. Let your mother have the Peace that she is requesting.
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babsjvd Jan 2021
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My Fiancé had Stage 4 lung cancer that had metastasized through his body, just like your Mom. His Specialist could have successfully treated the initial tumor, but what had spread could not be treated. Because of that, he was not given a good prognosis, or long to live. We called in Hospice, and I am so glad we did. They were a true comfort. Most importantly, they were able to keep him out of pain. That should be your number one goal for her, I think.

It’s one of the hardest times of your life to get through. You absolutely do not need a negative Nancy putting in her two cents. If she can’t behave, tell her you’ll call her when your Mom’s time to go is near. Ignore whatever negative stuff your Mom is saying. Metastasis to the brain will cause all kinds of bad things to be said, as well as hallucinations (visual & auditory).

Stay strong dear, you’ll make it through. Your Mom needs you to be her guide through this journey she is on.
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cherokeegrrl54 Jan 2021
You are exactly on point! Ive been in those shoes too. Excellent advice....
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I've had the "you need to be a cheerleader" comment thrown at me as well by someone who claimed to be "helping" me provide care to a LO. As if my lack of "cheer" was the cause of LO's decline. I also received the "Don't acquiesce" remark as well as "You know better than to believe those doctors (or insurance companies, or scholars on the subject, or statistics on the illness. etc)." I was also told that "So and so had the same thing and they got x, y, and z for treatments. You much not be advocating for Ruby very well or Ruby would have gotten those things too." This was followed by her instructing me to call a general 800 number to "get information" on options (we were WAY past something like that). After all that happened and decisions I should not have been making within a situation I probably should not have been in, the same meddler/helper then accused me of giving up (reality was I was probably on the verge of a breakdown but was still chugging along) so that I could put 'Ruby' in a nursing home to cruelly abandon her in a facility that will undoubtedly neglect her and take years off her life, etc. I would have loved to shut out this helper (and LO would have done emotionally better without her), but LO asked for this person and WANTED to see her. There was no getting rid of her. I am so sorry you're faced with someone second-guessing everything. My guess is that this lady is grieving the situation and is looking for a fix-it to relieve her own pain. Deep down, I think my meddler/helper was experiencing the same grief - but that sure didn't help me in the moment when I was on the receiving end of her accusations, interference, and attempts at manipulation. Do what you know is right.
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MysteryShopper, your experience makes me so angry. What makes these interfering busybodies think they have the right to involve themselves in other people’s extremely personal situations? One can only assume they have such otherwise empty lives that they have to wade into other people’s. Under normal circumstances you might ask them to back off (setting those boundaries again) but when you are facing such a traumatic situation you have no strength to do this, and so the damage to you is done. These type of people need to take a good look at themselves.
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Just tell her her help is not needed anymore . You could hire a caregiver to help out with your mom .In that senecio , you are the boss . Good luck.
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I can imagine the pain that caused you. My mom lied to the home nurse on her visit , told her I hit her. I wasn’t prepared for the pain the act of deception it caused me. I’m sure it’s still going on with my mom telling lies ... my aunt recently texted how the Bible says to honor your mother and father. My mom lives in a separate state , I take care of everything from here. Call every other day... who knows what lies she tells.
I have not much for you , lay down ground rules, make it clear, if friend can’t follow them , she’s done.
try to separate yourself from the pain your mother will dish out.
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This friend/caregiver needs to go. When my mom was alive she had a caregiver that seemed perfect. Like a Mrs. Doubtfire. Kept all the household needs on track. Very efficient. Had cared for her own elderly parents. My mom seemed to like her, which seemed odd to me just because she was slightly bossy. But she did, so I pushed back my concerns.

Over time I noticed some odd behaviors and after reflection realized she was almost "grooming" ME...like an authority figure does with with a child s/he is going to molest. Only in my case it was to undermine my belief in what I was doing regarding my mom, undermine my confidence in what I was doing. I am a pretty strong, confident person, but she was so smooth and subtle that it worked for a time. Then she started pushing harder and I realized something was off. A couple of times she revealed anger/rage that I think was simmering under the surface.

I wrestled with the situation. I talked to my mom diplomatically several times and never got a negative vibe - my obvious main concern was that this helper not be abusing my mom in any way - I don't think she was. I hated to get rid of her because she was so competent and capable, but my gut feelings continued to get stronger and I soon after told the agency to send someone else.

About a month later I got a call from Adult Protective Services alleging a complaint being filed on me with regard to treatment of my mom. I met with the rep and we agreed that the complaint had been bogus. So case closed. I never got definitive word on who made the complaint, but I am convinced it was the fired helper.

So...bottom line...go with your gut. You are the daughter and YOU run the show. No one knows and presumably cares for your mom more than you, so exercise that right, take charge, and get rid of this person. Best wishes!
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I agree with many of the previous posters, hospice is the way to go. This other person needs to either be cut out of decision making or told to sit down. My mother has both cancer and advanced dementia, hospice has been a godsend. Honor your mother's wishes. I had a very close friend of my mother's criticize the decisions my brothers and I made and told me " Well, if you made her stand barefoot on the grass for 10 minutes a day her dementia would be cured."
As a side note, I'm in the complementary health care field an couldn't even fathom where she got this bit of information.
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