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A little story..

As a bank employee many decades ago, I remember a bag of stinking damp bank notes brought in to be counted. It had been found in a deceasd elder's house (stuffed in a hole in a wall, in a tin). More under the bed, hidden in the bed, lots of places.

Unfortunately most of the notes were too soiled to be legal (needing two serial numbers). These were paper notes, unlike the plastic we now have. Only a few hundred dollars were salvaged from the thousands.

Was it being saved for the rainy day that never came? Being hid from robbers? Hidden by someone with dementia? Never knew.

I would go on a little treasure hunt with Mom in the house.... the 'faeries' may have been hiding it & you may get lucky & find it back!

I'd be stopping the helpful family bank escorts instantly. They may be helpful, but just maybe could be the 'faeries' on to a good thing 🤔

Pocket money only for Mom now, no ATM cards. Hard but necessary.
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jacobsonbob Mar 2021
Because you are not in the US (because the US still uses paper banknotes), I'll mention this mainly for the benefit of those in the US and in other countries (still) issuing paper banknotes.

If you have damaged paper currency, don't assume it is "worthless". The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) has a "Mutilated Currency Division" in which it will receive this currency, and investigate as to whether the individual notes can be replaced. Apparently, their "detective work" is very proficient in identifying money that has suffered a wide range of calamities, such as fire, decay, etc. and can often identify and then replace money believed to be damaged beyond the point of no return. In general, the staff there either need to see at least half of the note or, if less than half, then be satisfied that the remainder of the note has been destroyed. In addition, paper money that has been contaminated with dangerous substances can also be packaged and sent for replacement. The BEP website (www.bep.gov or www.moneyfactory.gov) provides further information. Disturb the currency as little as possible before sending it (that is, don't try to force the notes apart if many are tightly stuck together--let the professionals do it).

Notes that clearly have more than half of the original (or if in pieces, the pieces together make up more than half), and on which the printing is clearly recognizable, can be replaced at a bank and don't need to be sent to the BEP.
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Omg this was my mother last year and until I found her money (where she hid it in her room every night ) it was a living hell. Then she felt bad accusing me and cried this went on for 3 weeks until I finally took her money away and told her she doesn’t need it I will pay for everything. Just so you know the problem is not over it will just be something else a shirt, nail clipper, brush. They usually hid things in draws and it’s usually the same place. Everyone around her has to be on the same page or their will be fighting. Best of Luck this is moderate dementia.
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Nazdrovia Mar 2021
My brother is POA, which suits me fine. My father has his pension going into one account which he is allowed to use, the others are savings accounts. Now he wants to donate money out of the other accounts by sending cheques. I want to take his cheque books and hide them as my brother is trying to keep his accounts organised. He doesn't need more than one account as we pay for shopping, bills etc. He wants to pay his way but I see it as a type of manipulation to give him a green light to behave how he pleases.
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I’ve learned that dementia patients can’t make sound decisions so you have to do that for them. You should handle her money.
I had to do this with several things with my mom and she got very angry, but eventually after time she just let go.

A little humor for you...my aunt told me a story about when my grandmother with alzheimers lived with her. My grandmother would say ‘Have you seen that woman that comes through the house? (Which was my aunt) ‘Well she’s been taking my things!’ My aunt whispered back to her “Well, when she goes to sleep, you and I will take all of it back!” It made my grandmother giggle and say “ok!”
I hope something good happens to you tomorrow.
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Deirdrem Mar 2021
GardenHoneyBee Loved your response to your grandmother! Priceless!
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What does she do with the cash she gets from the bank, besides hide it? Does she use it for misc expenses? Or does she just want to have some in her wallet?
Could you possible "trick" her with fake money? If she's not spending her real money maybe you could just keep her happy with the fake stuff you can buy at novelty stores.
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Catherine1109 Mar 2021
Mom given credit card sm amount of cash...CC can be replaced charges questioned...let her have something makes them feel normal

Alas we had many great pocketbook hunts 😆 Tile App and fanny pack your new best friend
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Ask family members to stop taking her to the bank. Tell them it causes many problems when she can't remember where she puts it. It means accusations and tearing your house apart.

It maybe time to place Mom in an AL if she has the money. Then you can request that she not be taken out of the facility without your permission. I was asked for a list of people that could take Mom out. She will need no money in an AL.
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POA. She has paid off and closed all credit card accounts at my insistence. I am very transparent with her and show her bank statements. I pay all of her bills every month. I need to get her debit card and keep cash from being taken out of the bank.
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Yes, I am her POA. I have done most of what is in your answer. Feels good to know I'm on the right track. The only thing is the money coming into the house and her losing it. She moves it, hides it and does not remember moving it. Thanks for your answer.
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BeenThroughThis Mar 2021
SkyPrincess, perhaps she would feel more secure wearing a tiny cross-body bag, rather than hiding her cash and forgetting where to retrieve it. If she wore a small bag every day then she could take her $5, $10 or $20 out and count it when ever she wished.

If you search online you can find many inexpensive tiny cross body bags, many are made of silk or cotton, soft, and just big enough to hold a key card to get into locked offices. Alternatively, here is a slightly bigger, more traditional model she might like:
https://www.forever21.com/us/1000418993.html?dwvar_1000418993_color=03&dwvar_1000418993_size=1&quantity=1
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Mom has her FPOA son take cash out of the bank and she pays for everything in cash, except for her 4-5 little bills that require a check.

Daddy was worried our OB would clean mom out, as she could not say no to him. So he set this up before he died to protect her.

She knows she has xx amount of money for groceries and small things. When OB was alive she would routinely give him all her cash. Then she had to explain to daddy why she was short $400 AGAIN this month with nothing to show for it.

No dementia, just a favorite son who had no class and felt no guilt at robbing our parents.
She has ONE credit card and that is plenty. She's always messing that up. But, not my worry. And there is a limit on it as to purchases she can make.
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SkyPrincess Feb 2021
Thank you for your answer.
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You say she has dementia, and I am assuming that is "diagnosed" dementia.
Who is her POA? Who has control of the "accounts".
She should have only a small personal account if "other family members" are taking her to the bank. Clearly she is no longer competent to handle her finances. A debit card for such a senior is VERY VERY dangerous in that credit card expenses can be dealt with on a monthly basis, but debit will likely NOT be forgiven.
Whomever has POA should take over all finances, and should keep meticulous records of all cash in and all cash out on a monthly basis, records that would hold up in court. Good luck. Wishing you the best.
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SkyPrincess Feb 2021
Yes, she has been diagnosed with dementia. I am her POA and in charge of all of her accounts. She made me POA years ago long before she got sick. I have been handling all of her bills and all finances for years. This money coming into the house will need to stop. I will have the other family members to stop with the bank runs. She is going to hate this, but I feel it is the right thing to do. Thank you for your answer.
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Are you her financial PoA? If so then yes, I'd take the debit care away and replace it with a pre-paid credit card so that it can't get hacked and if it gets lost or stolen it's a limited amount of money. Cancel her credit cards and put as much on auto Billpay as possible. Tell the other family members to STOP taking her to the bank for cash and tell them why. Maybe keep some of her cash with you so that if wants a $5 or $10 you can give it to her. You can print out her bank statements and show her the balance whenever she asks to give her peace of mind. It's not easy and she won't like it but there's really no other options.
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SkyPrincess Feb 2021
Yes, I am POA. I agree with your answer. I am very transparent with her. Anytime a statement comes, I show it to her. Although she forgets that I showed it to her. She is paranoid about money. She payoff and close all credit card accounts at my insistence. I just have to keep her from getting money out of the bank and losing it. That is my next task. Thank you for your answer.
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