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how about having her move to the same State as you and your wife. Help her find a nice small apartment not too far from you guys. That may help.
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Of course you love your mother.

You're not cold-hearted to want to live separately from her. I think that's natural and normal.

If your mother were unable to live on her own, then that would be a different story, but I'm gleaning from what you write that she is able. So in my opinion she should find her own home.

I'm 64 and have no desire to live with either of my two children, whom I adore.
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No, you are not mean and cold-hearted.

You are the son many of us wish we had had.

I would encourage you to encourage her to get into therapy.

Speak to her in "I" statements, i.e.,
'I hear you saying ... " (this is not agreeing with her statement, it shows you are listening and validating what she says - it is not making any judgment as to right or wrong) - it helps maintain your stance / position of / to set boundaries with her and gives her validation of being heard.

Give yourself credit and validation for what and how you have supported her to this point. Never discount that or question your caring for your mom. And, many of us are FOREVER tested due to another's fears and feelings of neediness / insecurities. Often we need to be tested to realize "I can do this!" - and in the moment when presented with that 'option' (or pushed in a corner to accept it), we learn who we are inside and what we can do.

It sounds like your mom needs a support network (to build one / reaching out to others in the community, church, wherever and whatever) vs leaning on you as she has been. While it won't feel good to her now, in the long run, she will learn she has a strength / and strengths she didn't realize she has. This is something that you 'can't tell her' - she'll need to experience it in real time.

During this transition, give her space to get reacquainted with herself.
She may (or may not) come around over time. Do not have expectations of her / the future. Know and trust that you did / are doing all you can. We cannot 'make' a person change or be the best they can be - that is up to them. It is up to all of us and it is a hard lesson for many of us to learn - that we cannot blame another for who we are. We deal with the deck we are dealt with in life - and some of us had a very hard time changing from how we were raised (I certainly did / do and it is a life-long process). In any case, your mom needs to learn lessons that you cannot teach her; she'll get there ... if she wants to put the work into it / the quality of her life.

You are a lovely person and a wonderful son.

Gena / Touch Matters
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Davenport Sep 2023
I can attest that your words about 'learning you can do it' are true. After 60 years of financial security, I was planning on living in my car--I had enough money to pay for gas, insurance, and registration, and to buy food. It was a few years of pure hell having to contemplate that. I had to go way, way deep inside, walk through fear (terror, actually), no sleep; I knew the stress was affecting my health in a very serious way.

Anyway, miraculously, my situation changed. And I learned that I could reach out, live outside of my comfort zone, and change lifelong behaviors (mostly, forcing myself to get out into a community in a new state and small town, and socialize).

I'm overjoyed that my situation changed, and pinch myself continuously that it's real. And/but I'm equally overjoyed that I did get to a place of modest equanimity, on my own.

I pray the same for Jeremy's mom!
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Have you helped her explore independent living at a Continuing Care Retirement Community (CCRC)? Or, any of the senior housing complexes in your area? Both offer camaraderie with her peers. If you and your wife are too busy, connect her with "A Place for Mom." First, connect her with an Elder Law Attorney who can help both of you navigate this chapter of her life and prepare you for your own senior years (married, divorced or widowed).
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Your mom is probably mourning her husbands death and the loneliness that comes with it.

Mom, I love you and you have done nothing wrong but I can’t fill dad’s place. You need a retirement community with your own space, access to new friends and social events that fit your lifestyle. Down the road you may need one story living. I can’t give you any of this.

You need a son who can visit and enjoy having lunch with you instead of a harried unavailable frustrated new business owner/caregiver.
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Ireland Sep 2023
Erikka the couple divorced. I originally thought the exact same thing but the couple was not married. The "ex-husband" died.

I was thinking about bereavement too.
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Your wife and new career must come 1st...I am certain your mother will do fine...You are NOT abandoning her just going on w/your life...Keep in contact with her and remain "civil' and respect her, but she must respect your life/space. She has friends so it is not like she was left on her on. Best wishes and prayers..
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Good for you! MIL will be fine. Shame on her for making your life so miserable. I have a narcissistic MIL that is now in a board and care because she is too stubborn to use a cane or walker. My husband, her number one son, has almost killed himself making sure her home with a 400k reverse mortgage was packed up and sold so she has enough money to live and be cared for in luxury. Is she grateful? No! It's our turn. Hubs had open heart surgery 2 years ago. Time is a thief and life is short. Use it!
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I would not live with or have a parent live with me unless there is no other option. I think most people really need space. I’m and introvert .. if my parent or my husbands parent lived in our house .. I would never get the recharge my battery time I need.
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When your Dad passed, Moms can sometimes make their son a Son-Husband. There’s a lot more information on the internet about it.

They weren’t even together and she’s working the guilt. Your Dads presence probably stopped her taking over sooner.

She’s putting you in the position that you have to say something.

I have a friend that invites himself to every thing, I have to decline his self invitation bc it’s not appropriate he goes to these events. He’s hoping it’ll be too awkward and I won’t say anything lol
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BurntCaregiver Sep 2023
@Mjustice98

Your friend sounds like a very lonely man indeed.
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You don't owe your mother an explanation as to why you choose not to have her live with you. You have done more than most. It is healthier for her to find her own way. She should look into assisted living apartments. My mom found a great place to live. In the assisted living rental apartment scenario. She's loves it! She has game, and movie nights. She's made friends and has a good time living there in the space she made for herself.

Your doing the right thing.
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I'm going to give you some feedback, but you might not like all of it.

You are right in setting boundaries and being up front and honest with your mother that the three of you are not going to be living together.
The guilt-tripping/martyrdom on your mother's end is ridiculous and I'm glad you and your wife did not let it manipulate you into moving her in with you.

Here's the part you may not like. You or your wife could have taken a day and brought your mother for her back surgery. One of you could have done that. She is after all, your mother.
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fluffy1966 Sep 2023
Agree, BurntCaregiver: Being a permanent resident at the son's home is a separate issue from taking mother to the hospital for her back surgery.
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"Guilt" is something ..YOU... decide to feel.
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TouchMatters Sep 2023
Yes. No one can be MADE to 'feel' any way without their consent and agreement.

As I say, if you have 20 people in a room dealing with the same situation, you will find 20 different responses - because everyone is different --- has their own life-long / childhood triggers (that go with a person into adulthood until they are dealt w/processed), different family dynamics, different personal situations, and different levels of internal processing / healing.

While the awareness of owning one's feeling of GUILT is or shows psychological and emotional maturity, it still feels 'bad' to most of us. We do not want to feel it as we tell ourselves that we S -H-O-U-L-D feel differently - do something differently (that little nagging voice in our head).

Still by owning how we feel - and the decisions we make (as a result) in life, create our authenticity and wholeness.

Life is messy. Likely not one of us doesn't 'feel' the "Oh, I should have... why didn't I ... I wish I had ... in retrospect. This is life.

We do the best we can in any given moment. Finding healing through awareness and personal responsibility create more inner peace. I've learned over decades that one of the most powerful words - and behaviors - for me is forgiveness. Forgive myself and others. Clear the slate for a new day moving into awe and wonder. Learning along the way.

What else can we do? Appreciate the moment(s) and do the best you can in each one of them. And, love yourself.

Gena / Touch Matters
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You are being smart in establishing what you are and are not willing to do for your mother. Being responsible for an aging parent in your home is more often a bad idea than a good one. It is not necesary to justify your reasons for not wanting your mother to live in your home. You do not want that living situation. You can help yourr mother make other plans, but her choices do not include your home. Do not be manipulated by her guilt-tripping attempts.
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TouchMatters Sep 2023
Well said and thank you.
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Stick to your guns don't allow her to move back. You need your own life and your families.

Its time for her to be on her own.

Prayers
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You know what I noticed in this post, you mention your wife only to say you have been married 15 yrs and "This was suppose to be a new chapter in my wife and I’s life." You never make your wife the "fall guy". It seems to me, you have made it clear to Mom that you are all for her not moving in with you that your all for this decision as much as probably the wife, maybe even more so. So if Mom wants to blame anyone, it should be you.

You say nowhere that you helped Mom with the move. So, Mom was able to line up a realtor to sell her house, clean it out, pack it up and move it all, at least 18 hrs away. So Mom is no shrinking violet. She has the proceeds from her house sale and probably makes good money doing Medical claims. No overhead on her part. She can work in her PJs. Doesn't need work wardrobe. No need for extra gas and wear and tear on a car. Next year at 62 she can get 75% of her SS and still make 17k a year doing her claims. 4 yrs Medicare comes in. Mom will be OK.
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BurntCaregiver Sep 2023
@JoAnn

People who work from home can't do it in pajamas. When you're on a Zoom meeting people can see you. Professional people don't work in their pajamas.
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I think your mother is afraid of getting older and being alone. It’s likely she is having bouts of anxiety. Could you help her look for an Over 55’s community to move to? That way she will have her home and some money in the bank. I don’t think you want to be cruel. It seems you want to be helpful
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JoAnn29 Sep 2023
The woman is only 61. She has a job and has sold her home. She chose to make the move. If she can pick herself up and move with no problem, she can find an apartment. She was told in May, if not before, that she was not moving in with them in August. Thats 3 months to find a place and ask for help.
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No, your not cold hearted you are setting boundaries. Mom told you it was going to be temporarily. I don't think you have to be cruel. Just be firm. Tell her your sorry but u found out in the 5 months you lived together it wasn't going to work long-term. That she is only 61 and has money from the sale of her house. She lived alone before, she should not have any problem doing it again. But really, I think you handled it pretty well. Its not ur fault she is not listening. You told her in enough time she needed to look for a new place. The woman is not old! You also need to make it clear, at some point, that living with u will never be an option.

Just keep telling yourself, its Mom not you. Come back with an update.
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You did the right thing. She knew from the get-go that it was temporary, but assumed you’d just let her stay forever. She may have had plans to stop working and hoped you would support her the rest of her life.

She is 61 and I assume in decent health. Way too early for her to ‘retire’ to your home and be waited on hand and foot.

If she knew it was temporary, she has no right to pout and accuse you of being mean. You didn’t pull the rug out from under her.
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anonymous1732518 Sep 2023
Maybe she feels she would have a hard time finding somewhere else to live.
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Ask mom why she's choosing to play the guilt card on you now, after you both had an UNDERSTANDING she was going to live with you TEMPORARILY, which she did, and that time has now expired? She's changing the terms of the agreement SHE agreed to, then calling you The Bad Guy, meaning she was lying to you the whole time. Her intention was to move in with you permanently and she manipulated you into believing it was for a short period of time.

Nice try mom.

Turn the situation back on her and ask why she lied you in the first place, her very own son??

61 is waaaaaay too young to be living with ones children, for petesake! Perhaps mother needs a good therapist or psychiatrist to help her work thru all of her issues.

Best of luck in your new home and with your new business.
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anonymous1732518 Sep 2023
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Your mom is 61?

Has she always been emotionally needy and depressed? Is she getting help with that?
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AlvaDeer Sep 2023
Good questions, Barb. My DAUGHTER is 61. That's VERY YOUNG in these days. At least to me at 81, it is, and I myself am still active and independent.
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NO you are not being "mean and cold hearted" but instead are being VERY smart in not letting your mom continue to live with you. It was time. Probably past time for her to get on with her life and you with yours.
So don't give it another thought and if she keeps trying to make you feel guilty about it you may have to limit your availability to talk to her, as she can only make you feel guilty if you allow it. So quit allowing it!!!
Best wishes in your newly remodeled house and living and enjoying your life with your wife.
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You’re very smart to gain your independence now when it is possible. Congratulations, and good luck in your new home.

As for mom, she’ll have to fend for herself. Once she gets out and about, perhaps she’ll have a social life and won’t obsess about living with you.
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You’re fine. Your mother is being a mean and cold hearted, self-centred blood-sucker. Thank her for bringing you up to be strong, and tell her to get on with her own life.
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PandabearAUS Sep 2023
Harsh. She’s afraid. She seems to have money from the sale of her home. Downsizing into an over 55’s complex might be what she needs to be with company and community v
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If intending not to be manipulated is "mean" or "cold hearted" then I guess you are; embrace it! Stop apologizing for wanting your own life.
And you are going to have to stop running away from addressing this solidly, openly and completely honest.
As in "Mom, my wife and I have no intention of living with you ever again. That is a fact. You can chalk it up to our limitations. We do not wish to live with our elders. It will not ever happen. We will not argue or explain this issue and do not intend to speak of it again." Period. End of sentence.

You are very lucky you got your mom out of your home. Do not let her in again, and do not discuss reasons "why". They lead to argument. Simply tell her that you do not intend to live with her or with any other relation.

This will mean that your mom will know she will have to get her own living circumstances, whatever they are. Rent a room with someone; get a roommate; buy a condo; go into ALF. Whatever it is make it clear that you care for her and are willing to help her get settled, but that she will not now or ever again be living with you. If she needs a reason WHY tell her that you simple "are not a very nice person". That should do it.

Your Mother is trying to wedge her foot into the door. Please don't let her. You have had a happy escape. It won't be as easy again.
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