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anyone on the forum currently having an easy, relaxing, super productive, wonderful, happy, worry-free, day? ❤️

hahahaha.
yeah, i know. ok, back to dealing with my troubles...

hug ❤️🙂
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A CBC article about a study showing that removal of the fallopian tubes cuts the rate of ovarian cancer had me doing some web research. It seems the most recent research suggests that ovarian cancer may actually begin in the fallopian tubes - simply removing them instead of having a tubal ligation or including their removal during a simple hysterectomy allows women to keep their ovaries and possibly eliminate ovarian cancer. This is HUGE, why hasn't this been getting more attention?
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cwillie, my guess is, that it's not that simple. that's why it hasn't been getting that much attention. there are always pros/cons to removing something from the body. and it's possible it doesn't - really - reduce the risk of cancer. one can always find competent research that says the exact opposite of another competent research.
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This finding isn't even that new BOJ, and in the articles from reputable sources like Harvard Medicine and the Cleveland Clinic causation sounds pretty definite. The more I read the more gobsmacked I am.
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cwillie,I read that as well. It’s not getting more attention because men don’t have fallopian tubes .

In some states here in the US, some politicians ( mostly men ) are taking away access to abortion , even if it means without it the mother will die . In some states there have been cases where the fetus is not viable at all or has already died and the mother’s life was in grave danger without an abortion and was still denied an abortion . Some states are passing or trying to pass laws that it is illegal to go to another state even for a lifesaving abortion .

I won’t get into the pro life versus pro choice debate , except to say that the majority of Americans believe there should be access to abortion and birth control .

What I’m getting at is that , access to these things save women’s lives . Access to birth control saves teenagers lives . As pregnancy can frequently be high risk , especially for the younger teens . The teen pregnancy rate is at the lowest it has been in 50 years . These are facts.

Some politicians want insurance companies to stop covering the cost of birth control . What I don’t see is any talk about getting rid of access to Viagra or other similar meds , or penile implants etc . Viagra is very expensive but there is no talk of it not being paid for by insurance . There is no talk of restricting access to surgery for men’s sexual function .( And by the way men’s sexual dysfunction is not life threatening , but having access to treatment for this is not being taken away) .

So what all this tells me is that men’s sexual health matters , but women’s doesn’t even in a life threatening situation.
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Yes, I feel the same as you Way2tired, it must be because it is about women's health. But there are women having those two procedures every day that might have opted for salpingectomy if they and their doctors were informed of the possible benefit, the additional time added to their surgeries is minuscule. And in those with higher probability of ovarian cancer the possibility of preserving the ovaries at least until after menopause is also a part of the conversation nobody is talking about.
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cwillie, I agree. If it was me going for that procedure I would want to be informed of these studies and have the option to have the tubes removed .
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boj - while I agree there are always pros and cons to removing something from the body, I don't think your final statement is fair. Do contradictions show up in legitimate research? Of course. And in time they are most often resolved by further research. If there are apparent contradictions you have to read an articles/papers carefully to establish what they are saying and under what conditions rather than believing what is published in summaries in popular press. Sometimes there actually is no contradiction, just a different circumstance. This is my experience.

cw - I believe that many valid and important discoveries slip by without gaining much media attention. It was many years ago that the action of aspirin on preventing blood clotting was discovered. (1950) I remember thinking that that discovery should be applied to medical treatment to people liable to heart attacks as the discoverer did. I don't believe it was used generally for quite a while after that. Medicine moves slowly when it comes to new treatments. I've heard it said it is 20 years behind research findings. The emphasis nowadays seems to be more or new drugs.

way - very good points!
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Golden . I agree there may not always being a contraindication , but a different circumstance .

Women of high risk for breast cancer opt for mastectomies every day . I would think having the option to have fallopian tubes removed to prevent cancer , especially if it runs in families, would be an opportunity that could save lives.
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Way -totally agree. What a saving of lives and money for that matter, if the powers who be would only see it that way.
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"Do contradictions show up in legitimate research? Of course. And in time they are most often resolved by further research."

hugs, golden.
do contradictions show up? yes actually, and sometimes one can't be sure it's really been resolved. with time, that "finally resolved issue", might suddenly yet again be contradicted by other competent, reliable research.

sometimes, even some things we're verrrry certain about regarding health, can later turn out to be wrong.
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boj - absolutely true - the nature of science is proving and disproving...However over time a body of research eventually establishes certain "truths" Like the law of Gravity. I don't think anyone disputes that anymore. There aren't many "laws"
regarding medicine but there are still many valid and useful findings that don't waver under new scrutiny. And there are some that do!

cw, way - re the removal of fallopian tubes. there is evidence that herpes simplex virus-2 plays a part in ovarian cancer which would make sense of removing the tubes in that it can travel up the tubes to the ovaries. There is also a possible link between certain herpes viruses and breast cancer.
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Bundle of Joy, I'm having "an easy, relaxing, super productive, wonderful, happy, worry-free, day".



...Just joking. But it would be neat if someone on the forum is.
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bundle ,

that does happen sometimes where new research debunks old to the point where we do a 180 on something .

I doubt though that removing fallopian tubes will be one of those things that is contraindicated . Fallopian tubes have been removed for many many years with total hysterectomies , with no known adverse effect of not having them .
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just read this sentence from a random person on the internet, somewhere in the world:

“Who needs a predictable good day when the rollercoaster of a bad day can be so much more exciting?”

emmmm, no thanks.
i don't think this person has ever done - any - caregiving.
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I usually don’t have an insomnia issue. In the past, I have had sleepless nights, mostly due to stress, too much coffee or bad dreams.

My daughter showed me this watch thing that she is wearing that does all kinds of things. One thing is measuring her sleep schedule because she does struggle with getting enough sleep.

Apparently, she has a subscription to something for this thing that she is wearing.

How does tracking sleep and paying for an ongoing subscription help? I didn’t ask her these questions because she is entitled to do whatever she chooses to do.

I am just curious. I don’t think I would wear one of those things. Maybe there are good reasons why to wear one. I am only saying that I am not motivated to do so.
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My brother had his surgery today. So, now he can move onto the next step.

Thanks again to everyone who said prayers for him.
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My cheapest model fitbit tracks sleep and there are no fees unless you subscribe, but I guess it depends on how much info you need.
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cw, I am with you. If a Fitbit does all of this, then why does my daughter need a subscription? I think it’s silly and kind of gimmicky.

How long have you had a Fitbit? Do you find it helpful?

I do the same routine on my exercise cycle. It tracks the mileage and calories burned and all of that but I don’t really pay attention to any of it. I do 30 minutes on the bike and then stop.
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My fitbit was a christmas gift a couple of years ago and it's still going strong. At first I rolled my eyes and was reluctant try it but I'm hooked now, it has been my primary motivation to get off my butt and move!
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cw,

Okay, if it is a motivational factor, then it is good.

I think my daughter is kind of a trendy gadget person. She’s always telling me about something that she ordered on Amazon.
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Need: Good news for your brother.

If you struggle with insomnia sometimes, perhaps you'll want to wear a sleep patch. DH got me one called Zleep.
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Llama,

My daughter says she isn’t sleeping well. I will tell her about it. Thanks.
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Need. My daughter was doing some sleep AP too because she wasn’t sleeping well . All it did was make her more anxious about sleep when she saw her bad sleep stats on it. I told her to stop having her sleep criticized by some app. If need be go get a legit sleep study done.
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Way,

I don’t get it but you have to know my kid. She’s like her dad, an engineer, and loves all of this high tech stuff. She loves this thing that she is wearing.

I can see how it could go either way though, and be annoying or stressful as it was for your daughter.

My daughter’s generation relies on technology for everything.

She buys into all of the marketing hype! One time she saw me looking at websites to purchase something that I wanted.

Oh gosh, she says, “Mom, why aren’t you looking at instagram first?” I told her that I thought that was a waste of time! LOL 😆
Then, I get the, ‘Okay, Boomer’ look from her!

I find it more peaceful to nod and say yes! LOL 😆 when she starts talking about how wonderful her new purchases are!
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Need: You're very welcome.
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Way, My oldest daughter did do a sleep study. It’s interesting how they measure the REM sleep and study how we sleep overall.
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The younger generations need to get over thinking that their way is the better way. I got scolded my my nephew for using a taxi instead of uber - why would I want to download an app and set up an uber account for a service I'm unlikely to need again? Taxi companies still exist so I'm not the only one still using them 🙄.
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I'm using the 'On My Mind' thread to let everyone know that I haven't been ignoring any messages that were left for me. My account was suspended temporarily and we (myself and the moderators) had a terrible time getting it restored.
It's good to be back and I look forward to chatting with our group.
~BC
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