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I need to offer some support of some of your mother's ideas and behavior (big grin here - sorry, no emoticons on this forum that I can find so words have to be adequate!).

Regardless of "self destruct buttons", your mother may also be thinking of the phantom energy that's wasted when electrical appliances are left plugged in while not in use. For someone who went through the Depression, that's not unusual.

For me, it's an issue of minimizing my carbon footprint. Other than appliances and clocks, anything else gets unplugged when not in use. It's difficult to tell specifically how much has been saved, but it seems to be about $60 a year. For me, that's significant! I can buy a lot of seeds and a few plants with that savings.

If you've ever been the victim of identity theft, you can become hypersensitive to potential scams. We have gone through that, and I can tell you that you begin to think of everything you might have that could be compromised, sites you visit, etc. and how to protect yourself. Your mother may have that concern with verification of bills.

As to electronic gadgets, it's no longer easy to just turn them on; you have to have instructions even for phones. The KISS philosophy seems to have been vanquished in electronics manufacture in favor of one which is all inclusive - MIC - make it complicated.

After a while, an older person (even someone at my age) just gets tired of all the fooling around. I'd rather spend that 5 or 10 minutes in my garden than pushing electronic buttons.

An electronic gadget can't hold a candle to the pleasure of watching butterflies flit from one pollinator plant to another.

That's hilarious about your mother acting to stress out the recalcitrant granddaughter! Something I've noticed about the relationship though, is that the granddaughter seems to call you in panic for things that might seem unusual. How old is she? Does she have much real world experience?

And I think there's something to be considered about Babalou's suggestion of simultaneous orthopedic and brain issues
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I'm meeting with the PT people tomorrow to come up with a program for Mom, hopefully one geared around her practical needs. I've seen genuine improvement each day since her surgery. She's still crabby and the pain meds have her a little buzzed so she's on the sleepy side but physically she's definitely made some slow progress. Mentally she's beginning to complain about being bored which IMO is actually good, as it means she's feeling better and not focusing on pain 100% of the time. This time around I want PT to be something she begins to look forward to as opposed to dreading and I hope we can make that happen. I also want the PT people to not rely on me so much, as I can't be there seven days a week based around their schedules. I felt they were a little unfair about that last time around. Of course I want to help and participate but I can't carry all the weight, plus I don't want to inadvertently injure her somehow and set the whole thing back again.
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It sounds like her mental state needs as much as attention as the physical. I would also get her evaluated. Your expectations of her seem pretty high. I would definitely make sure she was capable of meeting them. When you have a senior who has gone through what she has, I would be more inclined to suspect a stroke or some other brain issue, over manipulation. I had to attend PT once for two frozen shoulders and I did not look forward to it. It was quite painful and even with a very strong constitution, I was pushed to the limit.

When she complains of being bored, what does she actually say about it?
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I would tell the PT folks privately ( i.e. not in front of mom) that you sincerely doubt she'll ever live independently again, and that you have every intention of going back to your own life/job/home. When my mom was in rehab, all the therapists were initially under the impression that I was bringing her to live with me (I guess maybe that's what some folks do). I cleared that up right away so they knew what they were aiming at, either AL or Memory Care.
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I think her boredom is just a consequence of being (mostly) pain free for the first time in months, as she was unable to really think about much else during that span. My main goal here is to get her into a wheelchair where she's comfortable and not panicking about falling the entire time. This could open up a lot of options for her that might help stimulate her mentally as well as physically. Just expressing a desire to leave the bed is a step up given where she was a few weeks ago. However, she's stiff and sore from all that inactivity and I don't want to put her in a position where she's being pushed too far too fast as I don't want to see her re-injure herself or develop any new ones. Right now she's doing a lot of (unprompted) stretching in ways she hasn't moved in quite a while, which to me is a good sign. Her motor skills are still a little off but I see some real improvement there, she's not overthinking every single move anymore. It's minor improvement, but at least it's something.

babalou: The first time around her PT was a total disaster, as she was still not diagnosed properly. It was tough to really have a LT goal there as I was still deeply concerned about what was wrong with her, while PT's goals were based on treating her for an ailment that was merely a symptom of her actual problem. In short, it was a mess and I cringe when I think about it. My hope is that this time it can be more practical and well-thought out given that now we know exactly what her problem is. I know she'll never live independently again, that's a given, but I don't think it's entirely unrealistic to get her to a point where she can at least assist in some day-to-day routine things, like helping her get dressed, cleaned up, eating normally and etc. She's already not actively resisting her aides and nurses like she was before, so IMO there's a little hope there to expand upon (ideally).

And this time around I am absolutely insisting that no one is to badger her about "insurance cutting her off because of lack of progress" which I detailed elsewhere in this thread (and given her injuries it was even more awful when I look back on it) she has enough on her plate without having that crap thrown at her. In retrospect, IMO they were too quick to "give up" on her and label her as being "difficult", that needs to be atoned for even though realistically I know that I'm probably the only one who cares about that aspect of it. I only wish I could go back in time and insist on having those damned tests be done sooner, as we could have avoided a very sad and painful (esp. for her) situation.
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Right now I'm getting kind of worried that they're going to present me with some wildly unrealistic "discharge day" scenario based on something other than her actual condition. I'm also worried that they're going to try and lean on me re: money and LT care and once again the focus will turn to everything but the patient. I was told this meeting was regarding her PT plan but you never know, I've already been ambushed before. As I said above, IMO she was initially assessed before she was properly diagnosed and I hope that doesn't color the way her status is regarded now.
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Dman, ask when the first "this time around" care consult will be. You can raise these issues then, in front of the various department representatives, and ask if you're all "on the same page" (for lack of a newer expression).

As to creating an atmosphere that your mother can look forward to, what can you think of that she'd enjoy after PT? Listening to her favorite music? Favorite magazines to thumb through? I suppose you could consider bringing her a special treat she might like, or better yet, some flowers...perhaps "a daisy a day" or better yet some lovely roses?
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Dman, what I meant was, the first time around , the therapists seemed to assume that mom would be returning home with you as her caregiver. Of course she needs to cooperate, but there is no reason that you should be there, except occasionally, for therapy sessions.

I would also speak to the business office about a way to extend her Medicare eligibility, given the errors that occurred the first time around. I would appeal for another 0 days full coverage, based on her second hospital stay.
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For the first time during the course of this ordeal, I can honestly say I've developed a real dislike for someone involved with my mother's care, that person being her PT. I met with her today (and the social worker who IMO shouldn't have even been involved in the discussion as all he cares about is Medicaid) and frankly she came across as being a real jerk. Perhaps I'm just being an overprotective son here, but this woman seems to have already decided that Mom is simply an impossible case who cannot be helped and she doesn't seem to be taking the fact that Mom just endured a month and a half of agonizing pain into account at all. I visit every day and I'm seeing genuine progress here. It's slow and it's not dramatic but it's there. She's sitting up in bed without pain, she's slowly beginning to re-engage mentally, her movements are more confident, she's expressing thoughts and desires again. But according to the PT she's still a bedridden complainer who refuses to participate. When I suggested that maybe she has a bad association with the PT and the wheelchair based on how it went before, the PT just scoffed and dismissed me, which honestly annoyed the hell out of me as I just don't see what's so far-fetched about that notion at all.

I spoke to her insurance carrier today and according to them they'd have no problem with covering her rehab based on a new assessment of her needs and goals but it has to come from the rehab staff. Apparently I have to go over the PTs head and speak to someone about this issue as she just refuses to listen. And she's already leaning on me again to attend Mom's PT, she's almost implying that it's up to me to demonstrate progress, which just annoys me further. I mean I want to participate but I certainly don't want the entire burden placed on me here.

And if I get one more somber head shake or if I'm dismissed as an idiot one more time I'm going to have to seriously consider moving her someplace else, if that's even possible right now. They're not seeing one thin dime until I see someone there prioritizing her care over Medicaid applications and insurance guidelines.
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Get the director of rehab and the administrator of the facility together in a room and tell them that. Your mom should be reassessed as though she's a new patient, given what she's been through. "And if I have to move her to get that kind of assessment, I have no problem doing that".
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Talk to the DoN or Administrator and explain that there seems to be an (a) attitude problem or (b) personal disagreement with the therapist and ask for another therapist. It's permissible; I'm sure the facility would rather switch therapists than lose the funding.

We had to do that for my mother, whose first therapist said there was nothing he could do because Mom wouldn't try. The bas**** even had her in tears. I was so angry with him for being so cruel to an 80 something woman recovering from a hip fracture, but with Dad and my sister, we turned the situation around with a good resolution.

Discussing it with her orthopedic surgeon, he said Mom should NOT be weight bearing on the fractured leg for 6 weeks. So Mom was instinctively not doing what shouldn't have been done.

We had a meeting with the Admins and addressed the issue, making it clear that the grouchy therapist's action was inappropriate and medically dangerous. Another therapist was assigned, and the recalcitrant one was moved to another facility, so they said. It wouldn't surprise me if he was given his walking papers.

I also don't understand why the therapist is pushing for your presence at PT unless she's using you to document something, like her concern for what she might interpret as a lack of progress. In my experience, therapists often suggest family don't participate because patients "perform" differently when family is present. She may have a hidden agenda.

Something's amiss; once again you'll have to be assertive and straighten things out.

This has really been quite an experience, hasn't it?
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In my experience with my mom in rehab, I was totally NOT AN asset. I can't imagine why a therapist would want a relative around!
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If I go to visit tomorrow and get a bunch of sad head-shaking and chatter about LT care, I think I might have to seriously consider breaking the bank and even borrowing in order to hire an advocate. My mother needs to rehab from her spinal injuries (and she still has biopsy results pending too), not to finish up her last rehab stint right where it left off. I'm pretty upset that they tried to start PT without even telling me, as I thought that's what this meeting was about. If what the PT said was accurate, they were trying to get Mom out of bed just three days after her procedure and only one day after a steroid treatment meant to relieve swelling in a growth in her back was completed. If no one checked with her doctor before doing this I will be absolutely livid.
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And I don't know why they always want me there for PT either. Right now it almost seems like the PT wants to prove something to me, that being that Mom hasn't improved at all and needs to either be discharged or put into LT care right now. But I disagree, as I feel she hasn't even been given a fair shot yet.

When I see the PT tomorrow I'm going to just ask her point blank, is she going to help Mom rehab from her spine injuries and is this facility equipped to handle my mother's case? Because if not, I have to find another rehab that will.
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So, you have the discharge orders from the current hospitalization, yes? Check what they say about PT. Check that the PT is reading the same orders. Call the doctor at the hospital and ask HIM what he thinks about this.

When my mom, then 90, was in the hospital, post broken hip, they had her up out of bed VERY SOON after surgery. It's how they prevent blood clots, which are the real enemy. But DO make sure that you speak with the Director of Rehab.

Look, if they have orders from the doctor to start pt, no, they don't have to call you. Your mom's not incompetent, right? They tell HER they are starting pt and if she calls you, that's how it gets communicated. Since my mom has aphasia, I gave her a card that says "call my daughter" with my phone number. It took me a year to come up with that.
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I agree with Babalou, Dman - they do like to get patients up and at it as soon as they possibly can. Having said that, it's far from impossible that special instructions got overlooked so I agree with you too - bang heads together and make sure that *everyone* is reading *all* the notes. And there's nothing wrong with asking politely whether your mother's PTs are experienced in treating spinal injury as well as elder care.

They want you there for several reasons. One, to be a friendly face and to aid communication with your mother. Two, so you can observe the techniques and provide some additional continuity in future. Three, for arse covering so you can witness exactly what they're up to - and don't forget they will have lots of patients' relatives calling them up and demanding to know what they're doing for their fees and why isn't mother/father/spouse making more progress.
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Google PT after Kyphoplasty. It does seem that getting the patient up immediately, in addition to doing in-bed exercises is the standard. The article I read most completely (Houston Spine Surgeon, i think, was the site) also listed "criteria for progress".

Is anyone explaining to mom what's going on? Is she understanding the instructions? The fact that PT hurts, but it's ultimately going to help? Again, i think the cognitive/mental state thing is the wild card here.

With regard to the SW, in my experience, they are ALWAYS at the care meetings.
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It's also apparently really important for patients not to remain in the same position for more than an hour at a time. So yes, they will be asking your mom to move frequently.
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Adding to Babalou's last comment, you could ask for an alternating pressure pad mattress; it electrically rotates specific segments of the mattress in a designated order to decrease the likelihood of pressure sores developing.
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GA, that's certainly a good idea, but what i meant to say was that the Kyphoplasty sites all mention that specifically folks who've had this procedure should not stay in the same position for more than an hour. Certainly not in bed for several days.

It must be so disconcerting to folks of our mothers' generation to be told to get up so soon after surgery, when in their youth "resting" was the cure for everything. I remember my mom being horrified that I walked out of the delivery room after having my first child.
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Babalou, thanks for the clarification. I see now that you were thinking of post-surgery recovery guidelines while I was thinking of general bed rest. It's interesting how post-surgical treatment can differ depending on the specific surgery.
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Thanks all, I spoke to PT at length this morning and everything appears to be on the right page for the moment. I did complain about the negativity and what I consider a lack of patience and I advised that perhaps Mom might not have such a bad association with PT if maybe someone else could work with her. So we'll see, but at least I'm sure they're rehabbing her for her post-op state now. I also informed them that we'll have no more medical/business combined meetings, it's one or the other and I don't want them to rush through her rehab time as I feel she merits as much time as is allowed. So we'll see, but honestly it did help put my mind at ease somewhat.

Mom was definitely a real pill today, super grouchy and difficult and I have no idea why. I asked for more psych evaluation, but I've been pressing that for a while now. I don't know why she's so afraid of getting up and out of bed but it's still an issue.
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Dmanbro, as we said, the cog/emotional piece is a real big piece of this. What does mom say when you ask her why she's afraid to get up? Really does sound like her thinking is not as clear as it should be, especially if the pain has been relieved.

Of course, for someone with some cognitive issues, being afraid that it's going to hurt is as bad as actual pain. Sometimes you have to think about how to coax her in the way you would a young child.
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Basically, she's talk all about wanting to get up and around but when it comes time to try she resists and complains. I'm of course hesitant to dismiss complaints of pain given what happened last time, but the mental element of it has everyone flummoxed. She really doesn't say much of anything other than "I'll try later" and such. The problem there is that the PT will flag her for lack of progress and her rehab will be cut off. All I can really do is to keep trying but at the moment it's frustrating. I'm pleased that they shared the dr. recommendations with me today (although IMO that should have happened first) and we're all on the same page at least, but she really needs to give it a real try and soon.

And today I'm working on the Medicaid application and I find out that they don't need six months of bank statements, they want 54 months worth. It's going to cost me $250 to get those from the bank and it'll take at least a month which means I have to request a later deadline. Sigh. $250 for a box of paper.
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Dmanbro, I'm sorry about the paper. No chance that mom has her bank statements put away somewhere? In a shoebox ?

I think it's important to remember that the PT her/himself doesn't have a lot of leeway in "flagging lack of progress". Medicare has very specific guidelines for progress and there's not a lot of wiggle room. Are mom's cognitive skills intact enough that she comprehends that the therapy is important, and that she can't say later?

Two things that I had to change helped my mom make better progress. One was to get a specific order for her pain medication to be given about 1/2 hour before therapy. The other was to schedule an aide to come in and get mom to the bathroom immediately before therapy. It made all the difference in the world.
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I've been thinking about her apparent reluctance to get up and try PT.

I used to consider myself a tough old bird, ready to tackle challenges, physical or otherwise. Then, as happens at my age, I started getting older, less physically flexible, and a little more vulnerable.

A few years ago I suffered some kind of injury that made it very difficult to walk; it was unlike anything I'd ever experienced. The toughness I usually had was hard to maintain, and there were times when I really just did not want to move because of the anticipation of the excruciating pain. I had to force myself to get up. I couldn't force myself to drive and take care of my father though so I adjourned his appointments.

When I reflect on that, I'm still surprised and unsettled that just a minor injury could cause such apprehension.

Maybe your mother is going through something like that - the perception is worse than the actual reality?
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Babalou, your points on administering meds specifically before PT are really important. We had to do that with Dad as well after each of his 2 hip fractures.

Dman, are you required to provide just bank statements or data such as payee, amount, & purpose for each of all of the checks written? I've wondered that as I've read of the Medicaid back data requirements.
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As far as getting her out of bed, I'm trying everything I can think of...different med schedule, incentives, humor, anything and everything short of actually forcing her to do it. And I'll keep trying until there's nothing left to try, but it certainly is frustrating. Obviously I'm extremely hesitant to ignore complaints of pain, however I can't tell if she's just feeling soreness or what here because, as usual, she isn't really being specific. She does express a desire to get up and do things but when it's crunch time she gives up, so I just don't know what to think.

GA: If they want documentation for every single transaction, well, that's just not possible. I mean she gets the exact same amount every month and has for years, with a few cost of living increases, tax refunds and property tax rebates thrown in once a year. Mom got a paper shredder a few years back and she faithfully shredded all old paperwork after it built up for a while, so most of the old paperwork is already long gone. It's funny, every month the local senior center has a shredding day where they encourage the seniors to dispose of old "useless" documents and such for the sake of ID protection. Then, later, social services asks for that very stuff. Medicaid wants copies of everything imaginable and some of the stuff they need requires some time to get. I'm wading through it and looking for some reasonably-priced help with it, as paying a lawyer thousands of dollars to do it is just out of reach right now. Bear in mind we're talking about NJ here too, the state that makes a mess out of everything.

Today I learned that her nighttime yelling has run off FOUR roommates so far and three of them didn't last more than a night. Her doctor has been advised and he's supposed to look into it. I don't know whether she's dreaming, waking up and panicking, having muscle spasms or cramps or what. Another weird mystery to crack...Mom's a lot of things but "dull" ain't one of them!
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It sounds as though your mom's mental state needs to be moved to the forefront of investigation. Is there a geriatric psychistrist or nurse practioner who comes in during the week? S/he really needs to be presented with the whole lsundry list of symptoms, which overall, does sound rsther like dementia to me. Is she still on antidepressants and antianxiety meds? I would check the current med list with her RN. Everytime my mom b went into the hospital, something would drop off the list. Hypervigilance has to be the new normal until she gets stable.
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I'm wondering if it's time to introduce just a little I Love Mom therapy.

Next time you visit, forget about the medical issues, the rehab and everything else. Just pretend you're visiting you mother as you would have several years ago, just for the pleasure of being together. Just talk, don't do anything special, don't discuss rehab or getting out of bed. In fact don't discuss anything that's not pleasant or cheerful.

I say this from experience; sometimes it's helpful to just set aside all the caregiving issues and just bond with your parent before all the caregiving started. It can be refreshing and rejuvenating for you as well as your mother.

She's probably completely worn down by medical issues and may even be sick of talking or hearing about them.

Bring her some flowers as well; that always delights a woman. It will also make her feel special when staff compliment her on the lovely flowers. It wouldn't hurt to include a nice little card that she can look at repeatedly and remember that before all this started, she was your loving mother and you her loving son. Try to recreate those days as respite days for both of you.
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