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Paul: That's funny ~ I suppose not so much to you about your dad's idea of money. I must admit that my mother managed SOMEHOW to have a savings account on an SS wage of $1,223/month.
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"A backup camera (also called a reversing camera or rear-view camera)..."

From Wikipedia... just different terminology, not the first or last!
Google search of "reversing" camera mostly responded with "backup camera" hits
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Paul,

Minimum wage here is $7.25. How do people live on that? Don’t know...
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Trying to work out what a "backup camera" was lol. Now I get it...

Reversing camera?

Or do you not call it that?
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Llama/Needhelp - yep thats Dad spot on. Hes got his idea....

Hes the same with money. Thinks £100 a week is "good money to be paid". (Honestly minimum wage in the uk is £9 per HOUR!).
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chriscat - ah gloucestershire? I used to work in Gloucester city centre until a few years ago....

With Dad it is literally, less than 1/2 a mile. He could take his scooter, he could get a taxi. With Dad its all about "well they should". Seems nuts to me to risk a delay.

As you quite rightly say, it takes a tons more resource to visit so people need to realise that.
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Llamalover47 - I figured it was for at least 2 people, maybe more. That amount *might* get an okay meal for one today!

Beatty - "...the kids that are backed over in their own driveway is a truly frightening problem in my country." Exactly. Many MANY years ago, my last year at Univ I had an apartment. A friend and I were headed out and I asked her if she'd seen the little one who was riding her tiny trike. Yup, just ran behind the building. So, I backed up slowly and CRUNCH! The tiny tyke left her trike there. :-( I told her mum and took the thing to replace the tire. The nice part is her mum wasn't angry with me - imagine that same scenario today??? I do NOT want one of these idiotic driverless cars. I look both ways multiple times before pulling out (ever make a right turn, so you look left**, as traffic on your side is what to look for, but then realize there's a crosswalk on your right with people waiting to go? No need to look right, right?? I look out all my windows multiple times before backing up and often open my window first, as I might hear them but not see them!
(**reverse all that for those who drive on d'other side!)

Forgot to add with this brandy new Jeep, ordered special as I didn't want the A/C:
Radio was not connected, salesman blamed it on bad reception in the area. I traveled through there several times, well before ordering it, and never lost reception. So about 1/2 hr or more drive each way, plus my time to sit there for this!
Additionally, it comes with a compass. I monitored and took pix when it was safe, knowing the direction I am going (sometimes capturing the road signs which showed a different direction than the compass did!), despite what this stupid thing says! When I asked about it, a customer says you need to calibrate it, said you have to drive in a circle... Ummmm, what? Why isn't a brand new item already calibrated?

Salesguy didn't really "show" me much when I picked it up. Just before the trailer hitch incident, I found this little wallet-like packet in the center console. Found some tools or other, no clue what they were for. Turns out in order to remove the rear tire, the camera cover has to come off and THESE tools are needed for it. THAT's what the d*mn salesguy should be telling me, instead of other crap, like the blue tooth (don't have anything) or blaming no radio on no reception!

When I bought that Honda, I knew more about it than the salesguy, and there isn't a whole lot to know!!!

Anyone ever see the movie WALL-E? All those fat lazy people who sit in loungers all day? Smart bulbs my butt... get up and turn the light on. Glorified Clap-On lights!!! Except for when it was briefly out of commission, I always walk to the bathroom in my room, other end of the house, passing by another bathroom, just to walk more. Do I get enough exercise? No, but why get all these doo-dads and get lazier?

Say, paul, how's your MIL??? ;-)
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Oh Disgusted! Yep I agree with your car choice 100%. Shopping for a car years back - oh the pain - Salesman after Salesman show me some bells & whistles rubbish...

Also, the kids that are backed over in their own driveway is a truly frightening problem in my country.
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disgustedtoo: I I know right - the mindset of some people never updates. I meant to add that the meal out at a restaurant was for 4 people. Still my mother expected to pay $12.
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I sort of hi-jacked the discussion again, but in reply to GardenArtist:

*personally I don't want all those little "extras" on anything
*my old pickup had vent windows - loved them!
*none of my cars have A/C

My mechanic gave me crap because my new Jeep doesn't have power locks or windows. Only my little hybrid Honda does - it was not an option with that. Convenient? Sometimes. Expensive to fix though. I can't open the driver window if it's raining at all, even drizzle, because then I can't close it! Same with all the "fancy" electronics on appliances - just crap that will break and cost to fix. Even the manual dials on cheaper washers fail, because they use plastic instead of metal.

Ideal car for me: Has the basics (lights, wipers, heat, radio, manual shift, 4WD, takes me where I need to go and gets me back!)

I've worked in the computer field too long, I know electronic things fail (reason why I was away from this thread for a bit - this PC keeps locking up, won't come back from sleep mode, sometimes takes 10 minutes to power on after shutting it down because it doesn't respond.)

Last thought - the backup camera isn't an option, at least in most states. HOWEVER, it should NOT be relied on except to ensure no one is directly behind the car, especially a child. That was the primary reason for requiring it. One should LOOK out the windows, as that camera isn't going to catch that person approaching the back of your car from the side!
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Speaking to the comments on the increased cost of durable goods.... don't forget that manufacturers are adding "extras" to goods, especially to cars.    The technology is "improving" and we're paying for it.  

And don't also forget the cost of trade.  If anyone really wants to question the value of this, take a basic Macro Economics course that addresses this issue.

For vehicles, I preferred the small little vent in the front window to direct cooler, refreshing air.  I wouldn't be w/o A/C now, but it's more costly than a vent that opens with a little push of a hand.  (except in the little MGA Roadster that was my first car.  It had sidescreens, not windows.  Opening the screens during rain or snow gave me quite a facial bath, and released what little heat the car produced.)

What about all the electronics in vehicles, or in home appliances?   Does someone need a literal airplane dashboard to drive a car?   A camera for backing up?  I tried that in a rental car and thought it was just too distortional.   I can understand for someone who can't turn his/her head easily any more, but many don't need that.

Frigs that are connected to the water line - unless you have trouble getting to the sink, which I can understand for the people in the lives of most of us, what justifies the extra water line, the connection, and the cost?  It's another addition to plumbing that can malfunction and cost $$$$ to fix.

I'm surprised someone hasn't decided to insert something like an Alexa in a frig to ask a homeowner what he/she wants to get from the refrigerator, then sends out a beam to highlight where it is.     I won't deny that bending over to get things out of the crisper is a bit hard with bones that are getting old, but in many ways consumers are being deprived of the opportunity to think, to make our own decisions, and not to have electronic things requiring batteries or electricity.   And how much do those two factors contribute to climate change?

I frankly am tired of making trips to the county recycling center to dispose of batteries.   If I could find some glow worms, I might give them a try.
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Llamalover47 - My first job in a supermarket had some amusing incidents. One was a woman, not really even that old, who was complaining about the price of a gallon of milk. Just checked online, shows $1 to maybe $1.35 around the time I was working there. This woman moaned about how it used to cost only $0.35/gallon! So, more lookup to see when it was that price:

"In the Roaring ’20s, milk was 35¢ or so per gallon. But when the Great Depression hit in 1929, fewer people could afford milk and dairy farmers still had a lot of milk to sell. The price dropped from 35¢ per gallon to 26¢ per gallon. It doesn’t sound like much, but 9¢ in 1930 is about $1.09 in today’s dollars."

That same page shows the price hitting $1 in 1960, so seriously, this woman WAS living in the past!!!

Yikes! If she were alive today, she would *REALLY* be appalled! People forget - you want your pay to increase, so you have more "wealth" and can afford to keep up with the Joneses - well, those who produce what you consume ALSO want their income to keep up with reality and their operating costs increase!

Sadly, these same people who want to scrimp and save and get a "bargain" have contributed to so many items being produced elsewhere, where labor is CHEAP, but it leads to cheaper (i.e. lower quality) products AND job loss here. Wake up everyone!!

I am very tired of buying products that don't last. Unfortunately very often there aren't many choices. Even items proudly proclaiming "Made in America" aren't really. Most of them (not all) should read "Assembled in America." My first washing machine was a Maytag. It lasted 37 years! It WAS made in America. I helped put that poor Maytag man out to pasture. Today's appliances are supposed to be "smarter" and "better", then 1) why do you push warranties and 2) why don't they last as long as those made "back in the day???"

Appliances here were bought new after I moved here, probably about 2015-16.
**My stove timer doesn't chime when the time is up, it starts a minute later
**My dryer doesn't chime at all when done
**The first dryer delivered didn't vent properly and had to be replaced.
**My 2019 Jeep has had TWO safety recalls when it was less than 2 years old.
**Same Jeep, poor design. Trailer hitch added, rear tire impedes trailer connect.
**Decent quality faucet set drain flange too large for sink hole!

Hoping that maybe we can bring MFG back here and ensure they make QUALITY products! I'd be willing to pay more for these things if they will last.

Even scarier, too much reliance on medical equipment/supplies AND medications being made elsewhere. These should be considered critical supplies and be produced in our own countries. If there was interruption in service, how would the needs be met? Thankfully I don't take any meds, and though I use the latex gloves, it's only for cleaning a pellet stove (can reuse up to 3 days) and making cat food, so my supply lasted until I could secure more! But, look at the scramble that happened to just get PPE! IF each country would produce their own... yes, it might cost more, but the cost is worse when you can't get it.
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Paul: As I'd said, my mother had depression era mindset. Thought a meal out at a fine restaurant should cost no more than $12 tops. Your dad is a younger man, but may have the same mindset, I think - right? I used to say to mother "In what decade was that feasible for it to cost so little?"
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Paul,

Your dad can badger people all he wants. Others don’t have to respond the way that he wants them too.

In fact, chances are that they won’t cater to his every wish.

If he asks for unreasonable requests from others, why should anyone give in so he can have his way.

What happens if a parent gives into a screaming child throwing a temper tantrum? They become spoiled brats! Same thing with anyone of any age.

If we constantly give into unreasonable demands, we teach them if they scream or beg long enough, they will eventually get their way.

To be honest, that’s on us, not them. How do I know this? I gave into my mom way more than I should have and it took me far too long to wake up and stop doing so!

We live and learn, even if some of us had to learn the hard way.

Yes, it’s a process and unfortunately it can become a longer journey than it should be.

All we can do on this forum is tell our story and hope others gain some insight.

I wish that I could have sorted my situation out and comprehended it much sooner than I was able to. I would have had fewer headaches!

Your dad isn’t entitled to special treatment. He’ll figure that out for himself. You don’t have to argue that point with him.

The facts will speak for themselves.

Save yourself the headache of trying to reason with him.

He will surely argue with you and even enjoy the debate!

The fact that you loathe it makes it all the more fun for him. He will view it as a challenge.

Don’t play his game and you will breathe a lot easier and achieve peace for yourself.

Screw ups come with consequences. If he suffers any consequences, so be it.

We can’t live our lives trying to prevent others from making mistakes.

He’s old enough to have learned these lessons by now.

It’s not your responsibility to monitor his every move.

You don’t have much influence over him. He’s going to continue to live life on his terms. Accept this, even if you don’t approve or like it.
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Paul, I’m looking at the lovely Black Mountains and Brecon Beacons. Turns out my cousin and aunt have the same attitude about the jab. They feel they are so vulnerable they won’t accept a 15 minute lift to the vaccination centre from their own family - who have stayed home anyway and so who have a very low chance of having and passing on Covid. They are now scandalised to find that actually no they cannot have a personal visit and will now have to wait longer until home visit jabs are available. I think the health service are quite right about this. They are trying to get the vaccine into as many arms as possible as quickly as possible. They could jab at least 100 people in the time it would take them to drive out and jab my entitled cousin and her mother. Maybe they would like to rethink their attitude if they want the jab sooner rather than later!
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disgusted - yeh spot on. I do try to distance myself from them.....

Dad has such an entitled attitude its ubelievable. He will badger people until he gets what he wants.
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Chriscat - north or south wales you can see?

Dad live mid valleys - dont get much snow.... Hes got a scooter (cant be bothered to use) and of course a taxi would cost very little.

Nope, hes entitled....
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Need: Quite an odd couple, they are.
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Been busy and laptop is a pig (will lock up for no reason or not return from Sleep mode without power off/on), so I'm a bit behind here...

So, to catch up:

"You make you're choices in life, he made his, I made mine. Deal with it."

Eggggggsactly!


""If you need a maid, get one.
If you are ill, call your Doctor. If you don't want to live alone anymore, that's OK! Move to an Old Age Home".

If his conversation can be on repeat - so can yours 😅"

Rinse and repeat, just like the shampoo bottle says (note those instructions don't say repeat once, so it could be an infinite loop!)


"No chance of him ever paying for any sort of care, or a care home."

NEVER say never. If circumstances happen that he ends up in one, he'll be paying for one, whether he likes it or agrees with it or not.


"BUT, you still get the 6 monthly rant on facebook about how its so unfair, he can't even see his own kids etc etc."

This same clown, like your dad, will be expecting them to assist him in his "old age" too!!! Expect all you want. You made your bed, lie in it.

"One of lifes losers is my brother and I'm ashamed of them both...."

No need to be ashamed. They are who they are, YOU didn't create them. My 2 brothers will soon be ex-brothers. Once the paperwork is dry and all funds are distributed, done. I may change my mind, but my plan is to send each of them AND the EC atty nasty mail at the end. Bad enough that you criticize me, don't help me, make my existence miserable, etc, but to just leave your mother in the wind is INEXCUSABLE! The atty is a different story, but he deserves nasty mail too (WHAT atty, other than our well know Ghoul here, suggests you deposit checks into your mother's account and not tell the bank she has passed???? That's just the start...)


"Its quiet funny because his Doctor surgery have said "Umm no". If you don't come here you're off the vaccine list for now and we won't know when you'll have it. Good for them I thought. Dads been ranting for a week now!
As if those poor people aren't busy enough giving out vaccines without pandering to my lazy father...."

They caught onto his game a bit a while ago. Yes, good for them - they have ENOUGH to do without pandering to a lazy ignorant old fool! You have the chance to be "first" in line, then GET IN LINE! If you don't, so be it, it was YOUR choice.

Sadly this center-of-the-universe syndrome isn't reserved for the elderly. There are WAY too many people who now believe they are the center, but they are not. Also WAY too many who think they are Einstein. Again, they are not, MOST certainly are NOT. I think some rocks have more smarts...
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Paul,

Some people feel that they are entitled!

Yeah, it’s embarrassing but more than that, it’s absolutely crazy and irrational behavior.

Old age is supposed to bring forth wisdom.

Everyone regardless of age should be cared for. The elderly and children are certainly the most vulnerable.

Elders are not superior or entitled to more. There are times that we are called to do all that we can. The medical professionals have gone above and beyond to serve the community.
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Hey Paul, I’m looking across to Wales this morning and seeing snow on your hills. Maybe your dad could use this as an excuse not to travel to the surgery?! Frankly I would walk many miles today through snow and ice if someone said I could have the vaccine right now.....”Bloody awkward” springs to mind.....
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I love the TV show "Extreme cheapskates" which is from the US.

Thats my Dad I can see in some of those....
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Dads latest money saver. Hes inline for the Covid vaccine (being over 80). Refused to get a taxi to the surgery (its literally 1/4 mile) because "I paid taxes all my life, they can come to me".

Its so embarrassing sometimes. Why would you scrimp on a few pounds to delay a vaccine which might just save you're life?

Its quiet funny because his Doctor surgery have said "Umm no". If you don't come here you're off the vaccine list for now and we won't know when you'll have it. Good for them I thought. Dads been ranting for a week now!

As if those poor people aren't busy enough giving out vaccines without pandering to my lazy father....
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Llama,

Geeeeeez! That was her loss, right?
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I once had a friend whose husband owned a Rolex watch and drove a Porsche. Yet once she asked me if I had any used Christmas ornaments. I say "once had," because recently I was happy to locate her on social media, but then she said " I am a non believer; I chose not to be your friend."

I hear that, Need!
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Paul,

Not spending money is so common. My mom would expect me to shop at three stores to get the best prices on every single item!

Even people with lots of money do this. My husband’s grandmother would spend $10,000 on a watch but ask for a senior citizen discount for a hamburger at lunch!
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Beatty - yep that will be Dad. Hes so stuck on his own opinions on how the world works and dedicated to not spending money, that this will happen to him.
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I swear, my autocorrect wants to make me look stupid! Hahaha 🤣

Should read, ‘my thick skull’ not ‘me thick skull.’
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Well if Dad won't pay for in-home care or accept council help - it's his life. His choices.

He may become like some of the stubborn older men & women I meet that eventually turn up in a hospital. Sometimes sadly, due to physical or cognitive decline, are unbathed, have skin issues (escoriation, ulcers, pressure injuries etc), dehydrated, malnutritioned, their medication routine all over the shop.

I used to wonder why their adult kids had walked away (so sad). Now I know why. At some point the kids just stop propping it up. For their own sanity.

I think I'd make a weekly phone call. I'd tell him to sort his regular groceries out himself but get his favorite cake or biscuits delivered once a month as a gift. I'd pay the bills (from his money) only if I held the right Financial POA. If not, sort them out yourself.

Anyway, we all have to survive this awful C-19 to make any longer term plans ☹️
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Paul,

My brothers lied to keep in practice! I swear, I don’t even think they know the truth anymore. They believe their own crap!

Oh, but my mother takes their word as gospel. It used to infuriate me. Until I finally figured out that I was making it harder on myself by caring.

I had intelligent people on this forum that kept telling me not to care about what they believed.

Thank goodness, the message finally got through me thick skull. Only then, did I find peace.
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