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Ohio, just caught up with all the advice on here. Do it do it do it! While he's at work. Can mil use the phone to call him ? Unhook the phone. Make sure daughter is out of the house. Hopefully she will be home before him and mil will have someone there with her. I hate saying this, but mil sounds like she's a danger to herself. If when you leave she is alone you may have repercussions from that. If nobody is available to be there, be standing outside with the police when he pulls in the drive. The police will keep him from following you. Are your cell phones on the same account? Get rid of it. He can track down your location with your gps. I am so dam happy you are making plans to get out. We are all rooting for you. Make sure you have all your family ready to go so you can be out in a matter of hours. Tell your kids to get their friends to help. The more people the better and you can direct them what to take and it will go faster. Prayers being sent your way!!!!! lisa
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Hey Ohio! U ok. Let us know!!!
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I have been sorting out my thoughts and trying to rationalize more on what to do first. I am pulled in so many directions - so tired of this. Yes, I did change my password and notifications where they don't hit my email account like they were, and I miss that, too. It's like someone cares - and it gave me smiles to get the alerts that someone responded or posted. Here is my updates: my husband's sister hates us now, since we "collected" the mil's car back from her. The title was never changed, was sitting outside, while she continue to try to get MIL to pay for transfer fees, etc. Went on for over a month. Enough. Lawyer said to go get it. Long story there, police were involved. Ugly scene. Ok, so now I have a better car to take her to doctor appts, etc. Physical therapy was stopped because therapist felt we could continue doing the exercises to continue strengthening and re-building of her leg and arm muscles. Skilled nursing has stopped, she won't allow them to help her with bathing. NO WAY! Husband is continuing to seek guardianship, but the legal process is slow. I got served papers over a bad debt (I have kept current (off and on) on all my bills but one - I got behind & it snowballed on me. Now they want to file a judgment against me for the $2100 I owe). I have 28 days for an answer. What can I say? I owe it. I'm sorry. But sorry doesn't pay it. So another lesson learned. Now to figure out how to pay it off and quick. I doubt at this point they will let me make payments. On the other hand, I have re-arranged my home office so I can work a little more smoothly - sold a couple houses but it takes awhile for checks to come in. MIL has been nicer since doing phy therapy, but I think everyone is happier when they exercise. The lawyer tells me to stay put, let the clock tick while trying to stay focused on the long plan. But if tempers ever flare where I feel unsafe, apply exit plan immediately. Fired my counselor, but then he called, wanting to work it out. So I have another counseling session Monday - we'll see if he is willing to take a new direction than the one we have been going. I'm still sad about my life & continue to care for MIL daily. Today, woke up to finding the bed wet in her room. My waterproof mat didn't catch it all, poor mattress. Did the best I could to clean it up. Anyone have cleaning ideas for that? My MIL tried to hide the fact she did this, even hid her wet urinated underware in a box behind the recliner. (was able to find because of smell). Then threw her saturated urinated pad in a plastic bag under the bed. All I could say this morning was, hello world.
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Natures miracle stain and odor remover. Buy at big pet co chains or some small pet stores. Treat asap, works well. Another: Fresh n Clean oxy-strength by arm & hammer. Same stores. Can also put baking soda and vinegar in w strong detergent. To clean mattress itself, need carpet cleaner or spot cleanermachine. I got Hoover spin brush w power Surge scrub performance. You can put several plastics one on first from under mattress, then a 2nd from top down. Add a pad the big ones like puppy pee pads next, then the mattress pad w several more pads on top. Place bottom sheet, more pads, then rest of sheets, get extra whopper poise pads for night, get drinks done several hours before bedtime, make sure she goes before bed ( my mom loves to say she doesn't have to go, or just went, when she didn't)
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Ohio: From a practical standpoint, check out WalMart for a mattress protector tht covers the entire mattress. Then cover the bottom sheet with a waterproof pad, probably exactly what you have. You can also place another one under the bottom sheet for extra protection. Combined, you may be able to solve a problem that will only get worse.

Interesting news about your counselor. He should be seeing you for free at this session and not charging your insurance. Not that he would, but he did call you, you didn't call him.

I wonder what would happen if you told your MIL that you will have to place her in nursing home care because you have to work and can't manage her care all by yourself. You can tell her it's not that you don't want her to stay with you, it's just that you can't, in good conscience, leave her alone even if she thinks she will be ok. And if she wants to stay at your home, she is going to have to spend some of her money on in home help. That way you can work and she can remain at your home.
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Woops, hit the submit button by mistake. Anyway, I know you don't want to rock the boat, but just a suggestion regarding MIL. You decide if it makes any sense.

Stay safe and keep us posted. Hugs, Cat
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By the way, Ohio, you do realize that you can go online and check your News Thread. All threads that you have posted on will show up along with all personal posts. Much like the emails, just check your News Thread every day or two.
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Ohiogal08

If you have fired your counselor, there must have been good cause.
Please do not just chalk that up to your feelings being scrambled
A counselor who is off base observing how the sessions are progressing
[or not!] , is not likely able to change their tactics.
....Honor your gut feelings, and seek a different counselor--there is no rule that forces a person to stick with the 1st counselor they try
--some folks go thru several before finding the right one
--or going to one for a time, then another, as their healing progresses, might need different kinds of counseling to keep progressing. It's OK!.

It is so hard when family fails to work cohesively together, and unfortunately, there is usually one person who ends up getting the short end of the stick. Though it might likely be that your spouses' sister feels it is herself, she is not the one doing 24/7 care-giving.
She might need her own advocate to assist her in getting her needs met, so she does not feel compelled to use her Mom, and can then stop messing with your best efforts.

As for doing 24/7 care-giving:
IF you are providing half or more of the upkeep for MIL, I believe there is a way for her to be your dependent on your taxes. Talk with whoever does your taxes. This won't get money to you fast enuf to pay that other debt, but might help in the long run.

As for creditors:
Be aware, the best thing to do is to keep in close contact with that company [any and all creditors], keep good records and paper trails--ALWAYS document on paper, contacts with the creditors--do NOT rely only on phone calls.
keep them informed of your circumstances,
and that you do not intend to stiff them in any way
--you intend to pay, as soon as the money is available
....or if you can, negotiate small payments.
They will push you, will try to pressure.
That is their job.
But talk with them--Weekly, monthly, or whenever there is a change in circumstances that might impact that arrangement.
If you lose the papers they sent for you to apply for financial hardship help, call them to get those replaced asap.

We ended up with some bills for care-giving Mom here.
And medical bills for stress-related health emergencies for ourselves.
And likely there will be legal bills.
But all the companies I have spoken with, and kept in the loop,
have been fairly decent about making arrangements for us to make minimal payments, since ALL of them want paid at once.
FEW States have laws that force creditors to stand in line one at a time...a number of States allow all creditors to come after debtors all at once, to one degree or another. CA allowed all creditors to attach wages of a family we knew, to the point they had nothing to pay rent or feed family with.
They moved to Michigan, to get some relief.

Talk with people, let them know you are doing the best you can, and you have every intention of paying as soon as you are able. If you arrange to make $10/month payments, that is something--they might squawk over that and want more, but you can keep emphasizing to them what your limits are.

You might also want to contact "Area Agency on Aging" near you,
speak to a Legal Person there,
to find out what your rights are,
BEFORE you spill too many personal beans to the creditors or collection agencies.
They can help inform you what your legal rights are relative to collection agencies, what to do to help get your needs met, and get the care your MIL needs--which might be in a nursing home now.

I pray you can get some relief!

{{{hugs!}}}
Chi



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Hey! Ohiogal, where you been? Hope busy selling houses, but PLEASE, can u give us a quick drive by "I'm ok," if you are indeed OK. Girl, don't u know we worry about u?? GET ON HERE FOR JUST ONE MINUTE!! Luv n hugs, kimbee
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Hey everyone. It's been a long time since I've been on this site due to MORE health issues and trying to find time to fit everything in.
Ended up in the Cardiac Unit of Hospital, was admitted but released the next afternoon. After many tests, results seem to point to "anxiety attack" and "stress". I was sad that my own husband felt it wasn't important enough to take me to Emergency Room, but in his own words "I have to get up for work and you could be there awhile. I need my rest". At least I didn't have to drive myself, my step daughter took me when she got off work & stayed with me until around 2am when I was placed in a room for the night & I was finally calming down. It was scary by the time I entered the ER. Nothing seemed to work, to ease the pain and get my blood pressure down until I was given morphine. Anyway, I've had a different outlook since then.
My husband has court appearance Sept 20th, for guardianship of his mom. This has been awful, the time leading up to the hearing. His mom declared war on us, making herself sick! Then my husband's sister is against this, doing everything she can to complicate things. Unexpectedly, she easily convinced my mother in law to leave our home, to be with her - making my husband and I look like "ugly demons" out to get MOM.
I feel guilty because I am enjoying peace and quiet, no pins and needles, like I have my life back. BUT my MIL is with the sister who is spending her money like candy and spins lies about us here. So who knows how court will go.
My husband has told me that IF he doesn't get guardianship, his mom can stay with his sister. Let her spend all the money. But when it's gone, mom doesn't come back here.
IF he gets guardianship, he will enforce that his MIL gets placed in daycare at one of our local assisted living quarters so I have my days of freedom to work & enjoy some quiet and peace.
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Hi , glad to hear from you. Glad u r ok n did not have a heart attack n sad u r still enduring such hi stress levels. Panic attacks r awful. I think I'd have one if my husband would not take me to ER cause he needed his rest. I simply cannot imagine that kind of response to a spouses emergent medical needs. I know u were trying to get on ur feet, n meet a time goal. R u selling some houses n continuing w ur goals? Really have worried about u, thought something tragic may have haPpened. Seriously-could u at least touch base every few weeks? If not MORE often?!! What happened with the 2nd appointment u had? Anymore there or elsewhere? Hope ur anxiety is better-not sure how it could be, but hope it is...glad to hear from u, kimbee
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Thanks for the update. Hang in there! Continue to work toward what is best for you.
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Ohio: Good to hear from you. Remember when we talked about if your husband would take care of you? I'm grateful that you are getting a break. Beware of amnesia. Love, Cat
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OhioGal08,
It is so sad it took that attack/ER/Hosp. visit to get things to work out!
While it was wicked how the sil handled things,
and worse for them committing slander on you and your family while/after moving Mom out,
the bottom line is, she is OUTTA THERE! YAY!
[[I know there is guilt, anger and all sorts of emotions surrounding it--but just keep focusing on the fact that she is now sil's problem--sooner or later, sil will also get bit.]]

You cannot change them.
They will keep doing what they are doing.
Consider their source!
You rejoice that you no longer need to do that thankless job, and, now have a terrific chance to renew yourself, and your life, whatever shape that takes....make it good!

As for your DH not being very understanding
---guys can be like that.
Like as not, he has trouble identifying his own feelings, among other things
---a whole 'nuther complicated set of issues.
I know--it took my DH over 40 years to finally wake up to the fact he needed help, and started getting it--it took major crises with Mom, and major crisis with his health to get him to start paying attention
---prior to that, he was almost totally ignorant that I had had a stroke, even when I was dropping cups and having trouble swallowing;
we were going thru another rough patch, he was just oblivious, and I was in total shut-down/protect-myself-mode, hiding anything was wrong
--long story
--but the indicators you described, seem to point to that HE probly ALSO needs help--just an educated guess
--and now Mom is outta there, MAYbe help can be found for EACH of you!

Mom was trouble, while at your place, and escalating.
It is common for that to happen.
It is also common for sibs to do exactly what your DH's did.
It commonly breaks families apart.
Cut your losses.
Determine to make better lives for yourselves.
YOU especially, must find whatever you need, find your Genuine Self, and nurture that Self back into being--your Self has been crushed to the point of near-heart-attack--that is a GIANT wake-up call!

I will keep you in my prayers for healing!
{{{hugs!}}}
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I think you should be compensated for your time and effort. make sure you get paid for taking care of her. Next get in home care for her so you can also work/ get out of the house ect. Demand that your husband helps you monetarily, You have a good heart and it's very difficult to step back and disengage and emotionally distance yourself from the situation. Sounds like your husband has no problem doing this. My husband was so in denial about his parents, never delt with anything untill I stepped in. I filed an elder at risk complaint with elder services of the the city they lived in. They came out and assessed the situation, this forced the son to deal with things and got help in place. Your mother in law needs more care than just you can provide. You are being exploited by a selfish son in denial , and no one will take care of you untill you demand it.
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Kimbee, thank you for taking the time to post back. Yes, I figured out how to rearrange time so I can work & sell homes. Got 4 homes under contract with 2 of them closing this week. I have also re-connected with a couple friends which helps. The counselor is on the back burner for now. He doesn't even want to see me until guardianship is in order. We just go over the same things ... no progress. Tomorrow is the big day. Either my husband is awarded guardianship or he doesn't. He tells me if he doesn't, his mom is to stay with his sister - let her spend all the money, abuse her, whatever. Without guardianship in our court, we will all go crazy here. I don't see how the court would side against him, since he is financially sound & obtained his bond, etc. But who knows? Sometimes it boils down who has the best attorney. Doesn't matter right or wrong.
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Thanks JeanneGibbs. I have my priorities in check & hanging in there. How are YOU doing?
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Cattails, Yep - I have not forgotten prior conversations. He is not here for me, not now and probably never. He has ignored my pleas for help and assistance, deaf ears. Didn't care when I went to my family doctor over stomach issues. Didn't care when I started going to counseling. Didn't care when I was telling him of chest/neck pains. Didn't care when I told him my son was upset over me not being able to visit - it's been a year. My goals are to focus on work, make money, pay off debt, be on my own.
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Chimonger: You are right on with my life here. My husband's sister will not keep her long, since my MIL is not the nicest person. Very hard to deal with. 3 times we have had my husband's sister lose it - saying come get her, we are throwing her out now. And once, down at my MIL's home in Florida - they actually got into a physical fight where there is still an open assault case. That is why I am worried, but it's not my mom. If my husband is fine with it - why should I care. But I do.
Yes, my husband needs a wake up call and counseling because his wife is walking out the door once I get financially able. Too much has happened for me to change my mind. Maybe this isn't the place to vent this - it's supposed to be about elderly care & seeking help, not how it drives people into divorce. My husband has a mean evil side to him, when he doesn't get his way or do what he says. He scares me at times. A long time ago, I was told "be careful when and where you pick your fights". That is so true for me now. Laying low until I have the means to do it right, making smart decisions. Not out of desperation. Slow and easy planning. My friend told me not to be a conniver - I'm not. She doesn't know how much I have been through and some people will never understand. So why explain. So thankful I can write how I feel here. Sometimes I am writing with tears running down my face, deep hurts. Then a voice responds via comments here & I get hope back. Taking care of my MIL has been such a thankless job that has turned my life upside down. It would be different if she "liked" me, but she doesn't. That is the problem. My MIL feels "I" am the one that took away her independence. "I" am the one that doesn't give her the food to make her whole again, give her back her balance to walk. She forgets that it was me, not her children, who arranged skilled nursing care and home phys therapy to make her stronger. I fix all meals. I wash all her clothes and bedding, accident clean ups, etc. It's the age and alzheimer's disease. My MIL "HATES" her son-in-law, though. 100x worse than the dislike she has for me!! So, good luck to you, dear sis in law - good luck.
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ging80. There is no way I will get compensated for my time. Even after I explained to my husband, who is going for guardianship tomorrow (yes, after 3 months of waiting for court date to arrive), it was explained that "we" could ask for $1000 a month towards care, but he refuses. His goal is to use any of his mother's money "when" she is in nursing facilities or assisted care, for her needs. I am the free babysitter service. He feels that "I" don't work a 9-5 job, so why should I complain? No, I have a real estate career that I try to juggle my hours to keep and maintain clients, while I have a full time job caring for the family here, too.
IF my husband gets guardianship tomorrow, plans are to get MIL into day care senior services here in town, 8 hrs a day. They even will pick her up and deliver her home. It will run either $59, $69 or $79 per day - depending on the level of care she needs, plus transportation costs. Believe me, my MIL has plenty of funds to cover this. Problem will be: HOW TO MAKE HER GO!!!
She wants NO part of it - feels we are going to make her go to prison.
I've told my husband, either she goes with this Day Program OR it's going to be 24/7 care at a nursing facility, at least until I get stronger health wise and mentally. I am so drained.
If he does NOT get guardianship, he tells me that his sister can have her totally, to with as they please. It's not worth it to fight over his mom - when she drives all of us crazy. Why does she like to pick fights? Loves drama? Make insane accusations? Then sits back and smiles. She doesn't stop until she gets a reaction. The only thing I can do at times, is lock my self into my office or bedroom. I can't leave, if she is here, because she could fall, etc.
She can't be left alone. Period.
Yes, my husband can "distance" himself like an off and on switch. I've never seen anything like it. He claims he learned this from his prior divorce counselor, when he and his first wife went through a divorce. I've learned first hand what 'stone cold" is... it's sad to be so self centered. My opinion.
I have such an open heart, with my goal to keep everyone happy, content, positive. I try to look for good in everyone. This is why the customers I work with "love" me - truly appreciate the extra I do for them, because I care. Plus I am honest. My job in real estate is challenging at times, but negotiations can be a win-win with the right outlook and laying out facts. Wish my marriage and family issues could be like real estate!
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Have you considered what you'll do if someone else gets guardianship? For example, if the court appoints a professional?

Oh well, I guess you'll soon know the answer.
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Ohio: Whatever happens, it sounds like you have not lost your resolve to extricate yourself from a marriage that is abusive. That's the most important thing in my mind. You will find your way and you will be successful. Just don't let your husband hold you back from a good life. Clearly, that is not something he is willing to offer you.

Sending you love and white light. Cattails.
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OhioGal08,

I pray things turn out well for you!
It is sad that episodes like this so badly test the strength of a relationship...it seems to bring out the worst in so many.
Dealing with sick unstable elders can break the most stable of people
....what it does to those of us who were not exactly stable to begin with, really hurts.
I hope you are able to put away plenty enough funds to be able to do what you need to do.
Just keep them separate and under the table.
People should always have backup resources and plans.

Be true to yourself, be healed, walk a good path. Be well!
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Chi: You are spot on with the last comment. Ohio needs to get out of this situation and I hope she does. Cat
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Hi Ohio, thank god u r still on course. I was so worried you had decided to stay in ur difficulty. Could u find a diff counselor who will support YOU, n YOU ALONE? You deserve that-MIL STATUS has little to do w YOUR NEEDS. Would you consider contacting a domestic violence agency? Abuse takes many forms, n the counselors r very skilled at helping w the types of problems you face. They do not require u to do anything u don't want to do, they provide great support at whatever point u r at, while u r working w them. True support there-I wish that for you! Regardless, we want to be here for u too. What can we do to help u feel supported? Keep ur chin up:)) and stay safe! R U doing something to reduce anxiety? Look up relaxation techniques. Deep breathing n mindful relaxation r 2 that work very well! I know ur closings will make u feel better too. Be a squirrel AND treat ur self 2 a little pampering too? Hugs n prayers to you, kimbee
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Ohio, I'm glad you're going to save and leave, but how are you going to squirrel away any money and not have your husband entitled to part of it (you don't have to answer that, but I'm thinking community property here). Can your son open an account for you to deposit into? Just a thought. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that your mother in law stays put at her daughter's.
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Well, court postponed. No guardianship put into place since my husband's sister decided to hire an attorney (using moms money of course) so SHE can have guardianship, and her attorney claims since he was "just" hired, he needs time to prepare - so looks like we are "off" again, until who knows when. For now, mom in law with my husband's sister.
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JudymW, I am not able to squirrel away any money until I catch up and pay off debts. That is my first priority - I can't be on my own with back debts and credit issues. Once I am in the clear, no reason to stay around. My paychecks from real estate sales will clearly show all money going to pay off credit cards and advertising expenses, (which my advertising and real estate costs will be caught up as of today). Which leaves me about roughly $10,000 to go - so I should be fine before the year is up. (As long as I can continue to work). When I can sell 20 - 24 homes a year, my income is close to $80,000+. When I only sell 3 a year - I can't make it and pay all the real estate costs it takes to be licensed, so I got over my head in debt about $35,000. And I am now down to around $10,000. This keeps me determined to stay focused and on track to financial freedom. I also need a car, mine is dying with close to 160,000 miles, air conditioning no longer works, and engine starting to clink. I'm down to only owing around $200 in past medical bills so that can be paid off with my next check. Then my laptop computer died, so I have to get another real estate sale to replace that, maybe two sales ... depends on the expense. Oh well ... I felt so "sunk" before, but digging out slowly.
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Jeannegibbs, oh yes - I have very much considered what to do, IF someone else gets the guardianship - such as a professional or his sister. I can show that I am not capable of caring for her 24/7 anymore. My husband is allowed to work a full time job, my sister in law is allowed to work a full time time job, with her husband home under a disability since he only has one lung from lung cancer. So I am going to show that I need to work full time, and why not? I served my "sentence for care" from July 2011 to current date. I am sticking to this and not going back.
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cattails, yes - I was smacked dead in the face with reality when he didn't care enough to take me to hospital. Then made jokes and snide remarks afterwards about it. While he continued to have me on the same path taking care of his mom. Frustrating.
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